Missed This 11 Consecutive Times

DrCue'sProtege said:
I tried this a little while ago. Shot some medium length straight-in draw shots. Focused on getting the bridge hand flat on the table. It actually seemed to help. I made most of them. I hope this isn't just a quick fix that only will last a time or two.

Thanks Fran!

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There could still be other things wrong with your fundamentals.
 
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FranCrimi said:
Good question. Which bridge do you think will be more stable --- one that has more parts of your palm and fingers on the cloth or one that has less parts of your palm and fingers on the cloth? Since the cb is traveling at a fast speed over a longer distance, accuracy is key. I think the margin of error on a shot like that is slim to none to begin with, so even with a flat hand, you still have to be deadly accurate. The way I look at it, there's really no room for an aiming mistake on this type of shot, so it's better to go with the most stable bridge you can make.
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Thanks for the reply fran
 
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Thanks for the reply fran
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Sure. Just to let you know, I changed one thing in my post. I changed "there's no room for an aiming mistake" to "execution mistake," because in that context, I was referring to the result of the cue moving fast through your bridge hand.
 
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garczar said:
You suck. Take three days off then quit. ;)
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Wack table with cue before quitting.

But seriously I'm not an instructor ...just a lowly world class banger. I would start out with drills of short draws and move the cue 1 diamond back after x amount of times. I can only draw from a certain distance and it's gets wild after that. Sometimes things are as good as to gets. Is this the case here?
 
I am a C+ plus player at best and probably not one who should be giving advice but I have been having issues with the same shot.

Just this weekend I had a break through, it may or may not help. I realized that my mechanics were at issue, I thought it was an aiming issue but it turned out that I was chicken winging! It is subtle but all my shots, I was slightly coming across the CB and and applying unwanted english. I started working on really focusing on getting my arm and elbow tucked in and inline with the aiming point and low and behold success. I had never been able to get the ball to draw doing the mighty x and now as if like magic, it draws almost all the way back. I have a lot to work on, but realizing this mechanical error just fueled the fire

Goodluck!
 
Sounds crazy because it's a dead straight-in shot... but you might not even be aiming it correctly. What looks straight to you standing up might not be. Or, you might be seeing it straight while standing up, but when getting down on the table, your head moves and when you're down, you are no longer aligned straight. And you could have developed the ability to compensate for that on follow and stop shots but not on draw shots (which, admittedly, could also introduce stroke flaws, exacerbating your poor initial alignment).

As mentioned, keep shooting this shot but make it much, much easier. OB closer to pocket, CB closer to OB. Make 10 in a row where you split the pocket. Start increasing the distance until you're no longer pocketing the ball cleanly and start to diagnose from there. My guess is there are several factors causing these misses, and the biggest one is tension in your grip and stroke. By decreasing the distance to start, you can rebuild your confidence and also start to see exactly where things begin to break down.
 

I've tried shooting shorter draw shots. Then moving back about a diamond. See the diagram.

I make almost all of the shorter draw shots. Once I move back about another diamond my pocketing percentage goes down to about 75%.

I've tried flattening the bridge hand. Slowing the stroke down.

Guess I am just doomed to be a banger.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:

I've tried shooting shorter draw shots. Then moving back about a diamond. See the diagram.

I make almost all of the shorter draw shots. Once I move back about another diamond my pocketing percentage goes down to about 75%.

I've tried flattening the bridge hand. Slowing the stroke down.

Guess I am just doomed to be a banger.
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This may sound silly, but what about going back only 1/2 a diamond? At least try to figure out where this shot's danger zone is for you. If you can still comfortably hit it at 1/2 diamond, you should be able to confidently shoot it in a match. If it's out of your comfort zone, play a safe or a two way shot. You don't have to make every shot on one turn at the table to win.

Plus going back in fractions of a diamond may help coax you past the problem area, increasing skill by even 1/4 diamond at a time will pay off in the long run. Progressive drills don't have to be exact diamond numbers to be beneficial. It may help you tune into what's going on once you go past the falling off point on a particular shot and have that info to adjust what you're doing on the misses.

IDK man, this game is a strange one.
 
I went down to the table tonight. I set up eight draw shots. Short/medium/long. Nailed every one of them. Have no idea how. Plus they pretty much came straight back.

So I rolled balls out on the table and practiced running out for about an hour. Then the last thing I did was set up two medium/long draw shots into the corner pockets. Missed and missed and missed. After the 5th straight miss I said the heck with it.

I just don't understand this..........
 
DrCue'sProtege said:

I've tried shooting shorter draw shots. Then moving back about a diamond. See the diagram.

I make almost all of the shorter draw shots. Once I move back about another diamond my pocketing percentage goes down to about 75%.

I've tried flattening the bridge hand. Slowing the stroke down.

Guess I am just doomed to be a banger.
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be slow, smooth and deliberate on your final backstroke in addition to being smooth as you accelerate through the q ball
 
TheGrandWazoo said:
I am a C+ plus player at best and probably not one who should be giving advice but I have been having issues with the same shot.

Just this weekend I had a break through, it may or may not help. I realized that my mechanics were at issue, I thought it was an aiming issue but it turned out that I was chicken winging! It is subtle but all my shots, I was slightly coming across the CB and and applying unwanted english. I started working on really focusing on getting my arm and elbow tucked in and inline with the aiming point and low and behold success. I had never been able to get the ball to draw doing the mighty x and now as if like magic, it draws almost all the way back. I have a lot to work on, but realizing this mechanical error just fueled the fire

Goodluck!
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How did u realize u were chicken winging ??
 
I video'd myself yesterday. It looked to me like I might have been aligned slightly to the left of the CB. I went down today and made the adjustment, moving my right foot/body just a hair to the right. No luck.

I think I am simply going to quit practicing long straight-in draw shots.
 
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