MN Pool BootCamp Review

Lynch

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I just got back from Demitrius Jelatis's 3 day boot camp and felt compelled to write up a review. For anyone not aware what this is, just google it and his website should pop up with info describing what his boot camps are all about. I'll discuss some of what we learned below.

Alright, I could probably spend several hours writing about my experience, but I'll try to sum it up in a few paragraphs, even though it will probably still be lengthy.

A little background first.

1.I've followed Demi's podcasts for a while and have always been fascinated by them. Just look up MN Pool Bootcamp on youtube if you are interested and there are tons of free videos with various topics and guests.

2.I moved out to MN from Denver a few years ago and even when I lived in Denver, this was a bucket list item for me. So I knew this was a no brainer once I moved to the same state.

3.I'm a 655 Fargorate with only 364 games. 3/4 of the games are from bar table tourneys and that's mostly what I play on.

A little more background that I think is important prior to the review. Demi does mental game coaching via zoom and I participated in this last winter. It consists of 3 two hour sessions with 3 students per session. I've read most of the mental game books such as inner game of tennis, pleasure of small motions, etc., etc., and for $250 this was worth every penny and some. What Demi teaches with mental game is eye opening and I've never seen or read anything exactly like it. I'm 42, have younger kids, and competing at pool hasn't been a priority for me for at least 5 years (minus some online ghost tourneys during covid), but I finally played in a couple team tourneys over this last fall and winter. It was important to me to play in at least 1 singles tourney. At the time, I was a 628 FR, took 3rd in a decent field, and played so well that I raised my FR to 655! So a 27 game FR jump! Now at the time, I felt I was playing very well, but the tourney happened in between the 2nd and 3rd session and I was still able to use much of what I was learning during the tourney. An added benefit to the sessions is they are recorded, so I can revisit any of the material that I want at any time. Considering I don't really play pool much during the summer and I'm hoping to ramp up a little for this fall/winter again, I plan to absolutely do that.

Now on to the actual bootcamp. Since I only live a few hours away, I was able to drive to his house. Accommodations were nice. All meals are covered. He has a beautiful 9' diamond with 4 1/2" pockets. The cloth was recovered a few months ago, but it gets a ton of use, so the table is broken in and playing absolutely perfect IMO. At the right speeds, you can wobble balls in a little, but for the most part, you have to hit them good to drop. Basically, the table plays tough, but fair.

I'm not going to lie, I knew I would be a little intimidated by doing all of our training on a 9' diamond. I have a 7' diamond at home, but live more rural and don't have immediate access to a 9' table without traveling a couple hours. So I probably only average 2 hrs/year playing on a big table for the last several. Well, by the end of day 1, the intimidation factor was long gone. I was hitting the ball fantastic. I have the flaw that many decent bar table players have, where I can get (especially under pressure) that short punchy/buntey kind of stroke. It works, but it can often break down and can be a real guessing game when using that combining with lots of spin. Demi didn't really change my fundamentals per say, but had me experiment with more of long flowy and fluid kind of stroke and I immediately fell in love. It was like crack and I'm most definitely addicted to it. We did a couple drills that really helped smooth my stroke out and get me in gear. Demi teaches so many things over the entire bootcamp, but a few of the key things are focusing on impeccable pattern play that just makes so much sense, once you see how he plans and executes pattern play on both easy and difficult racks. For my level, I know I needed to work on moving and safeties and we did plenty of that. He also teaches several cue ball maneuvers and has a core group of them, many of which I already know and use, but many of them he hits slightly different. That slightly different makes a huge difference though, especially with pocketing balls where you are 5' away from your object ball, have a steep or flat angle, and need to stun a rail or two, use spin, and not get wild. You use the same techniques on the touch shots where you are close to balls, but need to hit a small target. The way he hits balls and combines stroke and speed was just magic once I started to truly get it. The ironic thing is, he uses some interesting mental game tactics, especially on certain touch shots.

By the end of day 2, I think we ended our training around 11:30pm. Demi headed to bed as we usually eat around 9am and start training by 9:30, but I decided to hit a few more balls. Things were really coming together as I was playing rotation, I was getting out from everywhere and the cue ball was on a string. I felt I had the long, flowy, and smooth stroke really working for me and I wasn't having to think about it at all in between shots. At one point, I had a little draw shot from the 2-3 where I had to get 3/4 table length draw with the balls about 5' away and hit it perfect. Too perfect really as it rebounded off the short rail nearly getting me out of position. Just for the heck of it, I was throwing 10 balls on the table and I thought I would start with a mostly table length draw shot to get from the 1-2 ball. I would put the 1 ball near the long rail on the 2nd diamond and the cue ball near the opposite 1st diamond. After 5, 6, 7 attempts and no miscues, I decided to see how far I could go. By the time I was done, I put the 1 ball about 4" from the kitchen short rail near the corner and maybe only 2" off the side rail and I had the 2 ball on the short rail I was shooting from just past the middle diamond and I put a 3ball blocker about 1 diamond uptable from it. I would put the cueball just inside the 1st diamond, so it was as far back as I could go where I could still comfortably bridge from the rail. Basically, my goal was to do a table length draw shot where the cue ball would hit the rail I'm shooting from to get shape on the 2, with the cue ball and object ball roughly 8' apart. Surprisingly, I was able to execute this over and over again with no miscues. Sometimes, If I made the 1 in thin side of the pocket, the cue ball would rocket off on the wrong path, but for the most part I was able to execute over and over again with no miscues. I've hit this shot before from time to time if I'm feeling really good about my stoke, but I've never been able to do it repeatedly like this with no miscues and get that amount of draw over and over again. I couldn't believe it. So then I went back to just trying to run the balls in order and after a couple more racks of that, I thought lets just try that draw shot one more time with 1 shot at it, and I hit it perfectly. It was like 1:30am now and I knew I needed to go to bed and did, but just lied there in bed for a half hour thinking wow that was electric. Now the funny thing is, we didn't even really work on the draw stroke. We did do one drill where we were hitting a stop shot at a firm pace, where you aren't pocketing the object ball and have a limit on how many rails the object ball can go. We did this just prior to ending our training that day. It's designed to help get the stroke nice and loose, but we never even drew the ball. I think the whole key was that I got dialed in and comfortable with a more fluid stroke, was in a good mental state, and combined with everything else we were working on, it just all came together. I'm not only referred to the draw shot, but just the way I was effortlessly running balls in general. Lastly on this piece, like Demi stresses, like any power shots, it's just a tool, put it in the tool box and use only when needed. I mention this whole draw shot thing because it was kind of random how it happened and that I was able to repeat it over and over and I really think it stemmed from much of what we worked on, even though we never actually worked on drawing balls.

Wow, I knew this would happen where It would turn into a novel. In summary, I would give the whole experience an A. Demi loves the game as much or more than anyone I've ever met. His knowledge of all aspects of the game is superb and he can back it up on the table. You can ask him anything or work on any shot and there isn't any secret that he has, that he won't show with you. He's developed his own systems and a vocabulary to go along with it. He can explain it and demonstrate it in a way that makes too much sense and more importantly, he could teach me how to do it in a way that I could repeat on the table in real time. He can be intense and he wants you to get as much as possible out of the experience. It wasn't always fun as sometimes training is challenging and a lot of work, but there's a lot of fun to be had too. When you break for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, we had lots of fun discussions on mental game, game theory, matches he's played where he learned things, and so much more. It was a highly rewarding experience and I couldn't recommend more to anyone wanting to take there game to a higher level.
 

JPB2

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Thanks for the review. I am going in November and am looking forward to it. In hindsight , Anything you wish you had done to prepare?
 

slide13

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Thanks for sharing! I've read a few accounts of this program and they've all been incredibly positive. I really want to give it a go one of these days. I have family in MN so make the drive up there fairly regularly. One of these days I'll probably pull the trigger, put up the cash, and do this boot camp. I've had lessons before but 3 solid days of training seems like a really cool approach.
 

Lynch

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Thanks for the review. I am going in November and am looking forward to it. In hindsight , Anything you wish you had done to prepare?
Great question. I was out of town a bunch and not playing a ton prior to going. I planned on playing 2-3 hours/day each day for 3 days prior to going to make sure I was at least moderately in stroke and that my normal game was our starting point. In the end, it didn't even matter. You play so much while your there and in stroke or not, you'll learn so much and have plenty of opportunities, pocket balls, play new shots, etc., etc. If anything, I would mentally prepare yourself for Demi to push you. He won't give you anything you can't handle, even if it doesn't feel like that in the moment. The best thing I did was prep myself to go in there with an open mind and to trust Demi. Looking back, I think that was way more important than trying to get in stroke or explain anything I usually do or how I usually play, past matches, etc., etc. Good Luck and enjoy!
 

Tin Man

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Thank you so much for coming to MN and for taking the time to write up your experience. I also got your message today where you shared how the techniques, shots, and strategies we worked on were blooming in your play at the table.

It really reaffirms that we can always keep growing. You were already a great player coming here, breaking and running multiple racks of big table 9 ball in the first set we played together. And you are an instructor yourself, helping many players in your area. So I applaud you for being open minded that there is more to learn. Of course the things we worked on weren't big secrets that you had never heard of before. Rather we took a lot of concepts and shots you already knew and just fine tuned them a bit, making slight improvements here and there. But slight improvements in a handful of key areas that come up every rack or every shot can make a big impact overall.

It is also worth talking about how fun these things are. This bootcamp was unique because you had an extra ticket to the Goose show, a jam band that you turned me on to a month ago. I've been listening to some Goose to get ready for the concert. So on day three after we were done training we went downtown and checked out the show. We had a blast and got to hang out off the table. Then we came home and played scotch doubles rotation and straight pool until 2AM. You crashed at my place the extra night and took off the next morning.

As I watched the musicians perform it occurred to me that I do similar, but I perform for an audience of one. When my students come here I jam for three days, teaching, training, playing, helping put it together, and just going crazy with pool. I am very introverted but the time I spend getting to know my student and spending time with them is very special to me. And while I can't keep in touch with everybody every day, it is cool to get updates and reconnect when I'm playing a tournament in their home town or they are visiting Minneapolis. I'm not getting rich doing this but through support from players like you I can continue doing it, and I am honored and grateful that you all have paved the way for me to share my passion and understanding of this game.

Keep shooting straight and look forward to our next meeting on the pool table or at the next concert!
 

Lynch

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Thank you so much for coming to MN and for taking the time to write up your experience. I also got your message today where you shared how the techniques, shots, and strategies we worked on were blooming in your play at the table.

It really reaffirms that we can always keep growing. You were already a great player coming here, breaking and running multiple racks of big table 9 ball in the first set we played together. And you are an instructor yourself, helping many players in your area. So I applaud you for being open minded that there is more to learn. Of course the things we worked on weren't big secrets that you had never heard of before. Rather we took a lot of concepts and shots you already knew and just fine tuned them a bit, making slight improvements here and there. But slight improvements in a handful of key areas that come up every rack or every shot can make a big impact overall.

It is also worth talking about how fun these things are. This bootcamp was unique because you had an extra ticket to the Goose show, a jam band that you turned me on to a month ago. I've been listening to some Goose to get ready for the concert. So on day three after we were done training we went downtown and checked out the show. We had a blast and got to hang out off the table. Then we came home and played scotch doubles rotation and straight pool until 2AM. You crashed at my place the extra night and took off the next morning.

As I watched the musicians perform it occurred to me that I do similar, but I perform for an audience of one. When my students come here I jam for three days, teaching, training, playing, helping put it together, and just going crazy with pool. I am very introverted but the time I spend getting to know my student and spending time with them is very special to me. And while I can't keep in touch with everybody every day, it is cool to get updates and reconnect when I'm playing a tournament in their home town or they are visiting Minneapolis. I'm not getting rich doing this but through support from players like you I can continue doing it, and I am honored and grateful that you all have paved the way for me to share my passion and understanding of this game.

Keep shooting straight and look forward to our next meeting on the pool table or at the next concert!
Absolutely to all of it. Was fun to end with some music and scotch doubles straight pool as well!

For anyone wondering if anything from the bootcamp stuck, like Demi mentioned above, it absolutely did. I played pool for about an hour and a half today and was striking the ball very clean. It felt pretty effortless honestly going from the big table to the little table, especially combined with some of the new striking and touch. Regardless, that was today and tomorrow is a new one. Tomorrow, I may hit the ball a little rougher and the next a little cleaner, but all in all, I think I definitely raised my overall range of play and am excited about where things are going.
 

sjm

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Demi has that special blend of knowledge and commitment to go with a love of the game that make for a great instructor. Thanks for sharing your experience. Those, like me, that have gotten to know him, are not at all surprised that he is making the grade, and I feel quite certain that the demand for his top-notch instruction will remain strong.
 

Tin Man

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Demi has that special blend of knowledge and commitment to go with a love of the game that make for a great instructor. Thanks for sharing your experience. Those, like me, that have gotten to know him, are not at all surprised that he is making the grade, and I feel quite certain that the demand for his top-notch instruction will remain strong.
Thank you Stu!

I wasn't at the Turning Stone because I didn't get signed up in time and it looks like the same fate befell me for January as Mr. Zuglan told me that tournament already filled two weeks ago. It's getting hard to get in the door these days, hence why I started the post asking about other 2025 tournaments (please let me know if you can think of any!).

But I will see you at the DCC!
 

sudocrushms

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Thank you so much for coming to MN and for taking the time to write up your experience. I also got your message today where you shared how the techniques, shots, and strategies we worked on were blooming in your play at the table.

It really reaffirms that we can always keep growing. You were already a great player coming here, breaking and running multiple racks of big table 9 ball in the first set we played together. And you are an instructor yourself, helping many players in your area. So I applaud you for being open minded that there is more to learn. Of course the things we worked on weren't big secrets that you had never heard of before. Rather we took a lot of concepts and shots you already knew and just fine tuned them a bit, making slight improvements here and there. But slight improvements in a handful of key areas that come up every rack or every shot can make a big impact overall.

It is also worth talking about how fun these things are. This bootcamp was unique because you had an extra ticket to the Goose show, a jam band that you turned me on to a month ago. I've been listening to some Goose to get ready for the concert. So on day three after we were done training we went downtown and checked out the show. We had a blast and got to hang out off the table. Then we came home and played scotch doubles rotation and straight pool until 2AM. You crashed at my place the extra night and took off the next morning.

As I watched the musicians perform it occurred to me that I do similar, but I perform for an audience of one. When my students come here I jam for three days, teaching, training, playing, helping put it together, and just going crazy with pool. I am very introverted but the time I spend getting to know my student and spending time with them is very special to me. And while I can't keep in touch with everybody every day, it is cool to get updates and reconnect when I'm playing a tournament in their home town or they are visiting Minneapolis. I'm not getting rich doing this but through support from players like you I can continue doing it, and I am honored and grateful that you all have paved the way for me to share my passion and understanding of this game.

Keep shooting straight and look forward to our next meeting on the pool table or at the next concert!
What is your rate for a local player? I'm only 20 minutes from Slate and would be interested in a bootcamp or other sessions this winter.
 

sjm

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Thank you Stu!

I wasn't at the Turning Stone because I didn't get signed up in time and it looks like the same fate befell me for January as Mr. Zuglan told me that tournament already filled two weeks ago. It's getting hard to get in the door these days, hence why I started the post asking about other 2025 tournaments (please let me know if you can think of any!).

But I will see you at the DCC!
Yeah, Turning Stone is a free for all and Mike Zuglan has kept demand high for all these years. I think it is in part because people like both the event and the hotel. To be fair, in my many travels to pool events, Turning Stone is probably my favorite hotel.

I will certainly plan on going to Derby City in 2025. Look forward to catching up.
 
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