Modern age

[Palmetto cue]

it's already in place
MONSTER PLAYER HITS GREAT
HITS OK BUT.....................too heavy, too light, etc.
HITS LIKE SHIT

player A may think the monster hits like shit
player B may think the hits like shit cue is a monster
and there's the dilemma

So true! To go even a step further. I believe two cues could be crafted that appear to be twins. Same same wood and method of construction, and some may find one plays different than the other. I think your idea is interesting, just so many variables that would make the skew the data. :grin:

 

[Palmetto cue]

I did find on the internet a cue tip guide that shows a durometer reading of the different tips hardness.

That info helps how?

What is the general assumption that the harder the tip the less spin?

Has any sort of objective test actually ever been done testing the different tips in relation to spin?

Not that I know of. Meucci did a deflection test with different shafts. Is it possible to test tips for miscues and amount of english? I don't know. Maybe some of the CM/Engineers might speak to that point. I do cue repairs, and I have cue that I try out different tips on so that I can give my customers some feedback on how different tips play. I use the same cue as a tester so I can reduce any variables and just focus on the tips playability. It still doesnt mean you'll get the same results because of the difference of your skill level and mine, but it's a fair test and it allows me to help my customers get the tip that might fit their game best. Hope this helps. :grin:

 

[bdcues]

So, seems to me that you would like the ACA (or some other group of individuals) to spend 1000's of hours, 10s of 1000's of dollars, waste tips, shafts, ferrules, whole cues etc, to come up with a list that changes every time you use a different piece of wood? All this so the customer can pick from this list the exact cue he thinks he wants or needs. And cuemakers around the world could buy this list for how much??? Customers could find the list online for free?? The cost of cues would be how much to pay for all this?? The list would be relative how?? An APA3 would be able to decide which cue would suit him best?? And because now your an APA6 and your stroke is better what?? And your mad that no one is willing to spend the next couple of years providing this list for you and others?? Man, I am glad that I am not the one cooking for you.

 

[GBCues]

So, seems to me that you would like the ACA (or some other group of individuals) to spend 1000's of hours, 10s of 1000's of dollars, waste tips, shafts, ferrules, whole cues etc, to come up with a list that changes every time you use a different piece of wood? All this so the customer can pick from this list the exact cue he thinks he wants or needs. And cuemakers around the world could buy this list for how much??? Customers could find the list online for free?? The cost of cues would be how much to pay for all this?? The list would be relative how?? An APA3 would be able to decide which cue would suit him best?? And because now your an APA6 and your stroke is better what?? And your mad that no one is willing to spend the next couple of years providing this list for you and others?? Man, I am glad that I am not the one cooking for you.

:thumbup:

Gary

 

[Rak9up]

I've always respected the opinions of the cuemakers.

I just don't feel adding science to cuebuilding is a bad thing.

Years ago when phenolics came out I tried to show how micro beads in the glue helped to make a perfect bondline. Now their banned and its a mute point.

As for the testing... I think the cuemaker association would add legitamcy to product testing. Since they represent ALL cuemakers and their data should be unbiased. Someone a consumer could trust.

Simple usefull tests could be derived not requiring lots of money or time plus its a one time expense. To test alot of the features you don't have to actually destroy them to test them.

Not that companies like Meucci or Predator isn't honest or that a hardness tip chart from Pooldawg.com isn't a good starting place. But how does that data help when ordering the correct tip to deliver a desired spin.
Was the testing done in the intrest of the consumers and ALL the cuemakers or for their own personal gain.

And yes I am disapointed with us the customers who play with the cues.

I watched Bill Stroud years ago offer a Dream cue...Entry after entry after entry only dealt with how the cue looked..I never submitted an entry

I thought to myself what is the "perfect cue" for ME.

What is the perfect weight from my hand to the tip.(balance)

What is the best bumper or noise suppressor on the market ect.

What is the proper tip for me right now.

ect. ect. ect.

If I couldn't answer these questions for myself how on earth could Bill ever build it for me.

functionality was the only concern

It would just be nice to back opinions like yours up with science.
Plus I'd rather not reinvent the wheel if scientific testing had already been done.