Monarch Rubber Profile?

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If anyone knows what profile the "Monarch" Rubber is that was used on the old Brunswick-Balke-Collender tables, I would sure appreciate you sharing.
The table I recently bought is a Brunswick Coreno. Right now it has "Master Fast" K66 rails on it and I will be changing them I just need to know which profile is correct. Thanks,
 
They are the larger k 55 profile, but as you know a k66 can also be used in its place. Just to be sure you need to pull a few staples and remove the cloth and look to make sure there is enuff room on the rail at the bottom to accept the larger base of the k55.
 
mechanic/player said:
They are the larger k 55 profile, but as you know a k66 can also be used in its place. Just to be sure you need to pull a few staples and remove the cloth and look to make sure there is enuff room on the rail at the bottom to accept the larger base of the k55.

There is about a 1/16th of an inch below the rail. I have alot of questions I would really like to ask if you have the time I can do it here in this topic or PM you if you would be kind enough to take the time.
 
Pocket Cut

I am also wanting to tighten up the pockets, and wasn't sure, or dont know the process to change the cut (angle) of the pockets if it is even possible to do this on this table. If I use a K66 profile, wont that make the pockets bigger as well? I can tell you what pocket irons they are if you can tell me where to look ( I think they are #6). Currently, the pocket facings are leather. There is no metal anywhere on the facings.
Under the rails, where the cloth gets stapled onto the rail, is pretty rugged. Is there any kind of filler, or epoxy that can be used to clean up the surface area to provide a solid base to staple to?
Do you know of any "tricks" to create a deeper shelf in the pockets?
 
The Ball Return

The Ball return box looks like a "River" I was thinking about hogging this out, but, looking online I noticed another antique Brunswick that had an identical Box. Would you recommend building another box and leaving this one alone for preserving antique value? In case I decide to sell this table.
 
The factory cuts are the easiest to duplicate because the angle is already known. You simply transfer the angle from the end of the rail where the facing attaches to the cushion,one thing to remember is its not a straight cut ,it angles down slighty, this takes practice and you can practice by removing the original cushions and sliding them down the rail and cut them a few times .

Alot of people have posted pics of thier pockets after the cushion angle has been changed, to do this you need to add whatever size wooden shim you need to make the desired pocket size and then cut them back towards the end of the rail at a 45* angle, not the easiest thing to do for a beginner but maybe someone else can explain that more clearly.

The size of the pocket is determined by the cut of the cushions, not the profile so you can make any size pocket with either cushion.

No. 6 pockets bolt to the rail thru a bore in the end of the rail, no.3 pockets bolt down thru the top of the rails.

Most facings are leather but some are impregnated with a harder compound of some type to reduce ball bobble in the shelf area.

Alot of the older tables are chewed up along the bottom where the staples go making them tuff to work with, clean them up as best as you can and use a longer staple like a 3/8 in so they sink into the rail beyond the ruff surface.You could repair the surface like you say but you may get some cracking or chipping when you restaple.

There is no way to extend the shelf further towards the back of the pocket.

If you can improve on the original ball box by all means go ahead and just give it to the buyer if you sell.
 
A friend of mine has pretty much convinced me to use "Championship Tour Edition" Rail rubber, instead of the artemis. Do you see this being a mistake?
Do you think any competent table mechanic will be able to accomplish what I want done to my pockets, or do I need to know the procedure step by step to explain it to them?
 
Any of the name brand cushions are ok to use. I'm an east coast guy and I have never seen pockets cut the way the west coast guys Ernesto and Tablemechanic do it. I usally just add an extra facing or two because thats what people ask for. I would like to say I could explain that to you but I have yet to master that type of pocket work like they have and they both do great work . Maybe one of them could explain it to us.

I do not think just any table mechanic can do it the way they do without a lil direction or a previously done rail to see how its done.
 
Does anyone know how to get in contact with "tablemechanic", or Ernesto Dominguez? I was told by someone tonight there is nothin I can do to tighten up the pockets on this old Brunswick Coreno. I dont believe that.
 
Scottster said:
Does anyone know how to get in contact with "tablemechanic", or Ernesto Dominguez? I was told by someone tonight there is nothin I can do to tighten up the pockets on this old Brunswick Coreno. I dont believe that.

don't know how to reach either of those gentleman but I haven't seen a table out there that couldn't have the pockets tightened. I have seen some tables where it would be tricky to extend the sub rail. However you can always add another facing to the end of the rail
 
I thought I saw you said "Antique" table there. Do you mean T-rail. Depending on the age it isn't always easy to tighten pockets. Many of those old T-rail tables where basically made by blacksmiths. Everything custom. We switched pockets on a T-rail from the 1800s and out pockets weren't even close. 1 was but the others weren't.

If I remember correctly a K-55 profile the wooden part of the rail which meets the rubber is at somewhat of an angle. While a K-66 which is commonly on Brunswicks (Gold Crowns mainly) has a straight cut which is perpendicular to the slate surface. But I don't rerubber, our shop does all that fun stuff so I could be mistaken.

But remember. Anything is possible if you put enough time, effort, and money into it.
 
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