Mosconi Cup: Did the Referee make and error ?

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stephen_joyce

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I was watching the last mach last night when Niels was playing. Niels potted the Nine to win the match and put his cue on the table while the white was still rolling. The white was definitley going to hit the cue when the referee picked up the cue and prevented the foul.

Did anyone else see this?
Was this wrong ?
 
I had the same question last night while watching.

Technically the white touching the cue would have been a foul, so I don't know why the ref took the cue.

Also true that's a foul that almost nobody calls!!

I'd never called it, never dare, but I had it called on me ones, and since I make sure my cue's far from the table after potting the last ball!! Also, make sure don't touch the white before it stops, even between racks.

Enjoy next and last night of Mosconi Cup!!
 
stephen_joyce said:
I was watching the last mach last night when Niels was playing. Niels potted the Nine to win the match and put his cue on the table while the white was still rolling. The white was definitley going to hit the cue when the referee picked up the cue and prevented the foul.

Did anyone else see this?
Was this wrong ?
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I was thinking the same thing, it technically would have been a foul it's odd that Neils did that. But so many people do that all the time by grabbing the cueball when it's moving on the last shot that it's almost a non-rule in practice. The only time I ever saw this actually be an issue is during league or turnaments where less skilled players play and they pick up the cueball while it's still moving pretty fast and could easily scratch if left alone.

If it was called, it would not have been a "bad" call, as it was in the rules. I did not see anyone on the US team protest however.
 
stephen_joyce said:
I was watching the last mach last night when Niels was playing. Niels LUCKED IN the Nine to win the match.

Did anyone else see this?
Was this wrong ?
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Fixed that for you!
.....Forgot the lucked in 9 was the game before.
PLEASE CHANGE IT TO AT LEAST CALLING THE 9!!!!!!
Stupid luck isn't good for the pros!
 
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He lay his cue down on the winning nine last year, too. The CB was tracking toward it, but I think the camera pulled away before you could see if it hit for sure.

Like others have said, I would never call a foul against someone for this, but I do think someone should speak to him about it. In a professional event like this he could have no arguments if the ref called a foul.

Regarding the ref moving the cue, in pro snooker I have seen a referee move a rest that a player had left on the table after using it, when there was a ball tracking towards it. I think it was Shaun Murphy. Apparently that was in the rules, but I don't know for sure. I also don't know how it would translate to pool.

9andout said:
Fixed that for you!
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What?
 
I was going to say he did that last year as well but much like last year I don't believe it will matter. Europe played well yesterday and USA did not. Tough hill to climb but these guys are not beginners and it will be fun to watch the final day. Hey atleast we get a final day this year ! :thumbup:
 
Without a doubt the cue ball was going to hit that cue stick..... He picked up that cue stick to stop that from happening..... I seen a match one time from over in Europe and Rodney Morris just laid his cue on the bed of the table. The referee called a foul against Morris........ It was in 2003 (World 9-ball Championship). He was playing Alex Pagulayan.
 
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Who was the ref?

As a player I wouldn't call that sort of foul on an opponent, but as a ref I think I would. It's pedantic, but pedants make good referees.


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It's a foul. The referee cannot intervene in a shot. He can only call good hits and rules interpretations. He cannot protect a player from himself.
 
I mean even though the Mosconi Cup is considered a "Professional Event" and the players should be fully capable of understanding the rules of the game , these minor things should not be overlooked .
It should have been a foul , maybe the referee was biased or something we can't comprehend but certainly shouldn't have done that .
It's like external assistance , it was Feijen's cue and he should have picked it up before the cue ball touched it himself .
 
That was absolutely interference by the referee. They are not there to prevent fouls from happening. The shot is not over until ALL balls have come to a stop. Niels knows better than to lay his cue on the table in a match like this when the cue ball is still rolling. As a player I would never call a foul on this unless there was a reasonable chance the cue ball could have reached a pocket. As a referee it is my duty to call all fouls and enforce all rules.
 
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That was absolutely interference by the referee. They are not there to prevent fouls from happening. The shot is not over until ALL balls have come to a stop. Niels knows better than to lay his cue on the table in a match like this when the cue ball is still rolling. As a player I would never call a foul on this unless there was a reasonable chance the cue ball could have reached a pocket. As a referee it is my duty to call all fouls and enforce all rules.
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That's the way it's meant to be !!
 
I just watched this on you tube,,,replay since I missed it last night. That cue was rolling pretty strong when he moved the cue and the camera cuts away.
I would like to see how close it was to scratching after that.
It would be rough to call them out on it,,,but that cue was rolling fast IMO and heading toward a pocket.
It must not have scratched ,,but if the ref didn't move the stick ,,,how would we have known that?
 
It brings up questions like; Would he do the same for two amatuer players? Would he have done the same thing for an American player? Does Matchroom Sports tell the referees to do things like this for the players? (I hope not)
 
14-1StraightMan said:
Without a doubt the cue ball was going to hit that cue stick..... He picked up that cue stick to stop that from happening..... I seen a match one time from over in Europe and Rodney Morris just laid his cue on the bed of the table. The referee called a foul against Morris........ It was in 2003 (World 9-ball Championship). He was playing Alex Pagulayan.
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Rodney's case was different, as the rule is that a player must not lay his cue stick on the table and leave his hand out of it, as a means to calculate angles etc.

The referee must see if there is a chance of this calculation, while for example if you have to tie your shoe laces and you put your cue on the table and there's no balls or angles calculated with that, then it's ok. Sometimes it of course can be questionable and cause controversies.

Using the cue for calculations is ok, as long as it's in your hand.

Niel's case now was different, but for sure raised questions. Ref. is not biased I'd say, but shall he not have done it and called a foul, beats me. In a way it would have been against the spirit, but if followed the rules "like in Olympics", then he should have called a foul. Mosconi Cup has its show-aspect, it's not exactly Olympics, but I know EPBF referees, who would have called it a foul.


Comic relief: Earl had earlier been called a foul for the same reason as this Rodney's case. (Also Cardiff and coincidentally by the same ref as in this Niel's case). So he got upset about it and asked the ref that "can I point the ball with my finger", lol.



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It may have technically been a foul, but the ref made the right call in this context.
 
stephen_joyce said:
I was watching the last mach last night when Niels was playing. Niels potted the Nine to win the match and put his cue on the table while the white was still rolling. The white was definitley going to hit the cue when the referee picked up the cue and prevented the foul.

Did anyone else see this?
Was this wrong ?
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It was very wrong. Niels knows better than to do this. So when the foul should have been called on him he would of realized his error like the true sportsman he is. Sure Justin would of gotten slack from the audience, but Niels probably would have stood up for Justin. The ref blew his credibility by allowing such I sportsmanship behavior to take place.
 
14-1StraightMan said:
Without a doubt the cue ball was going to hit that cue stick..... He picked up that cue stick to stop that from happening..... I seen a match one time from over in Europe and Rodney Morris just laid his cue on the bed of the table. The referee called a foul against Morris........ It was in 2003 (World 9-ball Championship). He was playing Alex Pagulayan.
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Why Rodney was called a foul is because there is a rule that you cannot use your cue for aiming purposes if it's not touching your hand. It's totally different thing than Niels' cue issue at MC.

Edit: Oh, Marvel already answered this. Never mind then :)
 
Did anyone else notice,,,that after this happened,a few other players put their cues on the table after a win. And immediately picked them back up. As the cue was still moving.
I seen it happen twice after. I think they all were told not to do it again ,,,,maybe??
 
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