Most Fundamentally Sound Player on TV?

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I was looking at the thread about Bustamente's stroke and it got me thinking, I would like to hear some of your opinions on which of the players that can be seen on ESPN and BCN have the most fundamentally sound mechanics and styles and why. I have adopted a few things from watching TV matches like the "Philipino" bridge and I was trying out pausing on my backstroke before hitting the cue ball like some of the lady players and I'm mixed on whether or not that does any good. I'm guessing its the same for most players with a strong snooker background but I think Allison Fisher and Karen Corr have very sound mechanics thats why they dominate the other women and as far as the men go I think Souquet keeps it pretty simple when he plays. But if I could just have any one players game it would be Efren or Busta. :rolleyes:
 
I was looking at the thread about Bustamente's stroke and it got me thinking, I would like to hear some of your opinions on which of the players that can be seen on ESPN and BCN have the most fundamentally sound mechanics and styles and why.
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Buddy Hall has a very good stroke, IMO. A lot of the pro players have, well, unconventional strokes. I don't think it is a good idea to copy them. Simple is best. The fewer moving parts, the better. Now, having said that, some "hinges" are needed. LJ Jones has about the most complicated stroke I have seen, but it works for her and seems to keep the cue level. I like Buddy's stroke.
 
good question, try to take a little from everyone. but, when your really hitting them well, you'll notice that the allison fisher method is best. she got her style from steve davis, who got it, from the guy who invented the snooker stance joe davis. solid, and straight on, you can't go wrong. also, please take note, snooker players have very slow warm up strokes with zero parts of their being moving. they are as still as an oil painting! take it slow, and adopt the snooker stance, but for thin cuts, it's better to hold the cue at the tail end on the butt cap, and stand taller, not with chin on cue, and for shots where the o.b. and cue ball are very close, but not touching, adopt an erect stance, so your proriferal vision can take in the entire table. p.s. ralf souquet is the greatest male player, and allison is the greatest female player, study them both very carefully, but play towards the fisher style.
 
Frank_Glenn said:
Buddy Hall has a very good stroke, IMO. A lot of the pro players have, well, unconventional strokes. I don't think it is a good idea to copy them. Simple is best. The fewer moving parts, the better. Now, having said that, some "hinges" are needed. LJ Jones has about the most complicated stroke I have seen, but it works for her and seems to keep the cue level. I like Buddy's stroke.
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Hey Frank, I've never seen Buddy Hall's stroke, but have you ever seen Niels Fiejen hit the ball? Talk about few moving parts - wow! Its amazing to see his finish. The cue comes to a complete stop. No wobble, retraction, nothing. I can see why he ran 15 racks. Whats wierd is he sights his shots about 4" off center...
 
Top Spin said:
Hey Frank, I've never seen Buddy Hall's stroke, but have you ever seen Niels Fiejen hit the ball? Talk about few moving parts - wow! Its amazing to see his finish. The cue comes to a complete stop. No wobble, retraction, nothing. I can see why he ran 15 racks. Whats wierd is he sights his shots about 4" off center...
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I'll check it out. I haven't seen him play yet.
 
I like Mika's stance and stroke. Buy I have to agree that Souquet 's is textbook.
 
Keith McCready said:
I resemble that remark! ;)
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Hi Keith, Someone (Frank G.) earlier posted that Buddy Hall has a nice stroke.After watching two of his video's I can truly say he's a sensational shot maker. Having said that, I was wondering what you or anyone else thinks about his "Tuck and Roll" methods of applying english to the cue ball.

With his tuck and roll methods of applying english he advocates coming across the cue ball rather than hitting straight through the cue ball with his english applications.He moves his back hand either to the left or right, coming accross the cue ball to apply english.Although Buddy Hall is an awesome talent, are his teaching methods Technically Sound as the posting catergory here suggests, or are his methods for the special person, gifted like himself with great hand eye co-ordination.Do you yourself use tuck and roll? Any comments about this by you or anyone else would be interesting and appreciated. RJ
 
I haven't heard anyone mention Efren's stroke? I think he has about the best touch I've every seen. He controls the cb awfully well. I watched a demo on target pool (Kim Davenport was selling it) about 5 or 6 years ago. Kim, Buddy, CJ Whiley and Leonardo Vandam competed up in Reno playing this as a demo. I can't remember if there was any money involved. Leonardo shocked everyone by being much better at it than any of the other 3. Kim was joking that it wasn't cool because after all, it was his product. It was amazing to see just how good all of those players control the cb.
 
I think there's no single correct stance or style. It would have to depend on your body type, height, weight, etc. I've heard a lot of people say that Efren's stroke is the most unorthodox they've seen but it works for him. Experts say the same for a golf stroke. Just do what comes naturally and most comfortable for you. :)
 
Joseph Cues said:
Kim Davenport is the most fundamentally sound player who ever lived in my books.
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I was wondering if someone was going to say Kim. He'd be my pick if I could have someone's mechanics.
 
Frank_Glenn said:
Buddy Hall has a very good stroke, IMO.
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I have never seen Buddy Hall play live, and until very recently have never seen him on tape. However, I recently bought a couple of accu-stats tapes specifically to see him play. He was (is?) quite simply phenomenal, smooth as butter, no wasted motion or energy, just like the proverbial walk in the park. His manner at the table did in some respects remind me of Alison's manner. On the tapes I saw he was carrying around a pretty significant counter weight around his waist which must have effected his play to some extent, it only makes me wonder how really well he played when he was young and slim. Must have been a sight to behold.
 
John Horsfall

I dont know how many of you have seen John Horsfall play, but he is one of the most fundamentally sound players i have ever seen. He has a great stroke, and a great stance. I think it comes from his strong snooker background. He is one of the most disaplined players i have ever seen, taking the same amount of time just about every shot, going through the same preshot routine every time he steps to the table. Poetry in motion. If you ever get a chance to see him play you will notice his Ralf Souquet-like disipline.
 
fxskater said:
I dont know how many of you have seen John Horsfall play, but he is one of the most fundamentally sound players i have ever seen. He has a great stroke, and a great stance.
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I remember seeing John play at last years Border Battle and have to say his stroke is definitely something to see, there is so little movement with his body you gotta wonder John could ever miss. Mentally, he does remind me of Ralph Souqet quite a bit except he doesn't take nearly as long to shoot :)
 
I wold have to say that Mika's aproach and stance pre-shot routine is prob the best text book examp. But Neils prob. has the bes text book stroke.
 
rocky said:
I wold have to say that Mika's aproach and stance pre-shot routine is prob the best text book examp. But Neils prob. has the bes text book stroke.
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Neil Fujiwara!!!
Very on the ball and always on the right line.
Kinda easy since he's only 5'6". :D
 
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