Moving a Brunswick Windsor

[livemusic]

I need to move my 8 ft 1974 Brunswick Windsor to my new house. Rather than hire it done, I'd rather just do it myself if that's ok, lol. Because I do not want a new setup done yet, not until I can get the table in the gameroom and figure out where the table will fit the best in the room. Anyone know of instructions on how to move the table or is this a bad idea? Point being, if I had to hire someone, I am 40 miles to the city where any tech would be and he would have to travel here and all he could do would be to move it. He would need to come back later to re-cloth it and set it up if I don't figure out right away where to put the table such that he would not have to make a 2nd trip.

And a pool table is heavy. Could it be that we could move it and reassemble it at the new place sans the slate so that we could pick it up and move it to different locations in the room to see where it fits best? I have no idea how a table it made, how the slate fits in there.

FWIW, the new room has a laminate hardwood floor. If I had a pool table dolly, if that exists, could test various spots moving it around on wheels!

If a self-move is a bad idea, let me know. Can you screw up a table via a move?

 

[Lawnboy77]

Below is a link to the manual of the 1972 version of your table. The design and procedures will be very close to the same. That table should be an easy move for you and a buddy. Just take your time and bag and tag everything and you should be fine. Never try to move that table fully assembled. I know it’s only an 8 footer and probably only 3/4” slate, but it’s not designed to be lifted fully assembled like a bar box, or similar table.

Brunswick Windsor Service Manual (1972) (Copy)

Brunswick Windsor Service Manual. 1972, 10 pages. This is a reprint copy only, not an original document.

www.classicbilliards.net

 

[HNTFSH]

If a self-move is a bad idea, let me know. Can you screw up a table via a move?

Yes you can and probably would. I don't understand that real issue unless you're trying to save money which can be dangerous and costly when you don't know what you're doing. How big is the room that you can't figure out where the table needs to sit? A couple tape measures and maybe masking tape should be all you need. A table mechanic can help you figure that out in 15 minutes.

 

[livemusic]

One says no problem, one says don't do it. Hmmm.

The room is plenty big but it's an odd shape and the issue is leaving room for an area for lounging around, reading or watching tv. A dual function room. I will need to envision how other furniture would fit into the room with the table sitting in various spots.

And the issue of preferring not to hire somebody that might have to make two trips is paying him twice. Just my nature not to waste money when I can do something myself. It doesn't seem that a pool table would be something delicate or super complicated. Update before posting... I just watched a youtube on moving a table, it doesn't seem like any super skill is involved. And I am only moving it to the house next door. Yep, bought the house next door! My brother will move into my house.

 

[HNTFSH]

I don't get anything out of you doing it yourself or having an experienced professional do it for you.

But in life I have learned the first time I've done something new, it wasn't my best work. Ever.

Two trips? I guess but you're not paying twice for a set-up. The travel time is 40 miles? LOL the move is to "next door"?? LOL

There can only be a couple options for table placement in that room. Can't take more than 10 minutes to "visualize" the room lay-out and where the table will fit best.

Have you ever put cloth on a table? Leveled one?

Being cheap is one thing but paralysis by analysis combined with that spells trouble to me. The questions you've asked so far don't give me confidence you should try this.

Good luck, hope doing it yourself doesn't cost an arm and leg when you could have paid just an arm!

 

[Lawnboy77]

Yeah if your table was a GC, or similar commercial worth a couple grand I’d advise seeking professional help, but your table is half the weight (600 lbs.) and it’s a home table, and to be honest, it’s on the low end of home tables. A professional may not even want to deal with it, and if he did it would probably cost double what the table is worth.
Might I suggest just leaving the table at the old house and finding a nice old commercial to put in the new house? A nice old GC set up by the local pro would be sweet!

 

[livemusic]

I don't get anything out of you doing it yourself or having an experienced professional do it for you.

But in life I have learned the first time I've done something new, it wasn't my best work. Ever.

Two trips? I guess but you're not paying twice for a set-up. The travel time is 40 miles? LOL the move is to "next door"?? LOL

There can only be a couple options for table placement in that room. Can't take more than 10 minutes to "visualize" the room lay-out and where the table will fit best.

Have you ever put cloth on a table? Leveled one?

Being cheap is one thing but paralysis by analysis combined with that spells trouble to me. The questions you've asked so far don't give me confidence you should try this.

Good luck, hope doing it yourself doesn't cost an arm and leg when you could have paid just an arm!

I am not going to set it up, that will be done by a pro, I am just talking about moving the table. It would be 40 miles one way for him, not me.

 

[livemusic]

Yeah if your table was a GC, or similar commercial worth a couple grand I’d advise seeking professional help, but your table is half the weight (600 lbs.) and it’s a home table, and to be honest, it’s on the low end of home tables. A professional may not even want to deal with it, and if he did it would probably cost double what the table is worth.
Might I suggest just leaving the table at the old house and finding a nice old commercial to put in the new house? A nice old GC set up by the local pro would be sweet!

To me, the Windsor is not low end. I think it cost $500 in 1974, which is $2,800 in today's dollars. Seems mid-range to me. In 1974, a pal of mine had a low-end table and that thing was truly low-end. Even the balls were crap. It functioned but my Windsor was a real pool table and his was flimsy. I am not trying to be defensive for the Windsor, just giving an opinion. As for shopping for a GC or whatever, I have done that now and then over a long period of time and it hasn't worked out. People are flaky as hell these days. Plus, trying to leave space for a sitting area would be more of a challenge buying a 9ft table. If I were to get something else, I would probably just buy new and, possibly, 7 ft.

 

[HNTFSH]

I am not going to set it up, that will be done by a pro, I am just talking about moving the table. It would be 40 miles one way for him, not me.

But the reason you aren't hiring someone to disaasemble, move next door, and re-install is only because you think it will take awhile to figure out where it needs to sit in the room?? I am sure that should be the easiest part of all this. I know you only have MAYBE a couple choices as to where that table needs to sit unless you don't care about playability.

 

[Jimmorrison]

Keep it simple. Get some card board boxes. Use them to mock up dimensions of your table. Test various spots in new room. Make decision. Move once. Table guy should be happy, easy

 

[Lawnboy77]

To me, the Windsor is not low end. I think it cost $500 in 1974, which is $2,800 in today's dollars. Seems mid-range to me. In 1974, a pal of mine had a low-end table and that thing was truly low-end. Even the balls were crap. It functioned but my Windsor was a real pool table and his was flimsy. I am not trying to be defensive for the Windsor, just giving an opinion. As for shopping for a GC or whatever, I have done that now and then over a long period of time and it hasn't worked out. People are flaky as hell these days. Plus, trying to leave space for a sitting area would be more of a challenge buying a 9ft table. If I were to get something else, I would probably just buy new and, possibly, 7 ft.

I'm sure you are correct about the table being a good table compared to other home tables back in the 70s that you typically ran across from Sears, or J.C. Penney's. Brunswick was a great brand back in those days, even their low-end stuff was good, but by todays standards 3/4" slate would be considered low-end. All of Brunswick's tables are now 1 inch slate. It's pretty much the same with all the reputable table manufacturers these days, whether you are talking Diamond, Connelly, Golden West, Olhausen, none of them that I know of produce home tables with less than 1 inch slates.

 

[Jimmorrison]

The good, self-employed table guys I’ve dealt with, love these type of jobs. You provide the muscle, he doesn’t have to bring help, it’s an easy move. Should be a quick, low cost, high profit job, everyone happy. That’s assuming your table guy knows what he is doing.

 

[jimmyco]

Just remember if you decide to disassemble it yourself: Shit breaks. Old shit breaks easy. And irreplaceable shit breaks very, very easy.

Good luck.

 

[garczar]

I need to move my 8 ft 1974 Brunswick Windsor to my new house. Rather than hire it done, I'd rather just do it myself if that's ok, lol. Because I do not want a new setup done yet, not until I can get the table in the gameroom and figure out where the table will fit the best in the room. Anyone know of instructions on how to move the table or is this a bad idea? Point being, if I had to hire someone, I am 40 miles to the city where any tech would be and he would have to travel here and all he could do would be to move it. He would need to come back later to re-cloth it and set it up if I don't figure out right away where to put the table such that he would not have to make a 2nd trip.

And a pool table is heavy. Could it be that we could move it and reassemble it at the new place sans the slate so that we could pick it up and move it to different locations in the room to see where it fits best? I have no idea how a table it made, how the slate fits in there.

FWIW, the new room has a laminate hardwood floor. If I had a pool table dolly, if that exists, could test various spots moving it around on wheels!

If a self-move is a bad idea, let me know. Can you screw up a table via a move?

Yes, you can screw it up, royally in fact.

 

[logical]

It really depends on you. Would you be comfortable doing a brake job on your car or building a simple wood deck or gazebo? I am a DIY guy by nature and do everything from plumbing to electrical to stone work to wood flooring to all sorts of car repair myself. A pool table was not intimidating. I am sure setting up my table took 4 times as long as a pro would have taken but if the table is sound it isn't rocket surgery.

If the type of things I listed are not the things you would do yourself I'd suggest paying someone.

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[SlateMan]

I don't recommend this, but when I decided to epoxy my garage, I put my table on skates.... I had already mapped out the room and picked where the table would go.

 

[livemusic]

I don't recommend this, but when I decided to epoxy my garage, I put my table on skates.... I had already mapped out the room and picked where the table would go.

WOW, that is amazing what you did! Can you say more about epoxy? Did you paint and then epoxy? Did you turn a garage into an enclosed room? That looks great! Always amazes me the things that can pop up in a forum thread.

 

[SlateMan]

WOW, that is amazing what you did! Can you say more about epoxy? Did you paint and then epoxy? Did you turn a garage into an enclosed room? That looks great! Always amazes me the things that can pop up in a forum thread.

I did not enclose the garage, but I did take mitigation steps to make sure it was insulated.

For the garage door, I used an insulation kit (well 2 of these kits:

Owens Corning Garage Door Fiberglass Insulation Kit 22 in. x 54 in. (8-Panels) GD01 - The Home Depot

Owens Corning Garage Door Insulation Kit is durable and convenient to install. Designed to use on uninsulated metal garage doors.

www.homedepot.com

These panels come with nice little stick on holders that work great. I also used some paint sticks to seal in the edges of the fiberglass.
I painted all the metal on the door white.
I then put weather-stripping on the outside of the garage door. I also put weather stripping on the top inside of the door. This top seal is rubber glued to the door and just sets against the wall.
I tightened the garage door to the wall on its track to get rid of any daylight coming through.
I replaced the bottom rubber seal and adjusted the door to close tight to the ground.

The Floor:
The garage floor was in really bad shape. I think a few dogs lived in the garage for about 15 years. When it got humid, I could smell them. There was also a motorcycle parked in the garage and about 15 years of kick stand divots.

I pressure washed the garage floor twice.
I ran a dehumidifier out there for a few days.
Then I acid washed the floor twice. (Get good safety equipment, especially a respirator with pads for acid.
Again, I dehumidified the garage. Gotta get rid of the moisture in the concrete.
I sent to the Sherwin-Williams commercial location and had them send out an expert. He recommended their professional epoxy.

Pro Industrial™ High Performance Epoxy - Sherwin-Williams

Ideal for surfaces where chemical and abrasion resistance is critical.

www.sherwin-williams.com

You need parts A & B. I think I used their Armorseal 8100. It was commercial grade. I followed up with the clearcoat product.
Make sure you either get a pro to allow you to use their account, or set up a commercial account. I paid about 1/2 price using a pro account.

Follow the directions and watch a bunch of Youtube videos on the epoxy. I did mine in phases with the upper step as phase one and the lower step as phase two. I painted the side concrete in the garage with a color matched grey.
I used LOTS of rubber gloves and just threw out all brushes and pans when I was done with each session.
I think I did two coats and it really came out great.

I bought some round wood pieces and epoxied them as well, they are part of the leveling system under the table to offset the garage floor slop. It is a Gold Crown IV and it has LOTS of leveling, but I wanted the wood coffin leveled before we started.

I had a minisplit (a ductless A/C) unit installed. I bought a Ceilo smart home thermostat for it.

Before I had set up the floor/AC/Garage, I set up the table myself and I did okay. I knew I was going to do the garage project so I knew it would be taken down.

As the garage came together, I bought new Simonis 860 and I hired a pro installer to set up my table. He has set up several of the pool hall tables in the area. Worth every penny!!!

I upgraded the TV.

I put dock boxes under each of the sides of the table for storage.

The room is an extension of the house and I spend a few hours out there each and every day.

I still have not finalized everything. I plan to put murphy bunk beds up just behind the Elliptical in the nook in the far corner. Then some rolling storage cabinets. The cabinets will hid the murphy bed and then act as a wall when they are rolled out.

 

[SlateMan]

I watch A LOT of this guys Youtube channel:

This is his Acid wash video.

 

[livemusic]

Once again, SlateMan, amazing job you did! Your LED lights are great, too.