My Playing Cue For Life !!! :)

duke@neo.rr.com said:
...you seem to think you're the ONLY guy with a joint like this...think again idiot...I'm SURE they are not the first ones to do this, and won't be the last. I won't bother saying where I HAVE seen this before, but just know it's NOT original. jimbo is right when he says he might have seen this done before, cause he probably did! haha, I know I have! so, you and your "special" cue can just go about your merry little way. anytime you wish to use that "special" cue in a money game nick, feel free to come play me...you won't like the outcome though funny guy!
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So... where have you seen it?? And I'm not asking Jim because if he says he's seen it, I believe him. I wanna know where you've seen it.
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
believe what you want, but it won't be me to tell you...look around a little, you'll see one eventually :) I will say that not all of them have ivory joints though...I know at least one didn't anyways
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I'm struggling desperately to understand why you are attempting to be so cryptic! If you say you've seen it before, and you have no problem sitting at your keyboard and telling the world that you have, then by all means, tell us where.

Now, please note that I am not doubting that this does exist elsewhere. I'm just wondering where YOU would have seen it because I don't think Bob Dzuricky (or however you spell it) has used it and I thought that was the extent of your knowledge!
 
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Yes and no Jimbo

He mad me a Acme cue too. Costumers were cross threading the shafts so he stopped making them. The joint collar is machined on the inside of it and the Phenolic is threadded so I really wouldn't think this is a sleve rather a full joint. I always thought sleved joints weren't threaded but never asked. Billy Stroud does something like this now too I think but Mike's joint is different.
Nick
And I never called this my joint Jimbo although I see in strech how you could deduce it. I called the cue mine. If you want one like mine (cue )Order one like mine ( cue )!
Apologies for the ambiguity.

JimBo said:
Maybe Nick is unclear, can't explain it or chooses not to, but I believe the difference in the joint we are looking at is that the pin is set into the black phenolic (instead of into wood), and the metal joint is just sleeved over that material. I believe I have seen this done before, mostly in Ivory jointed cues and of the top of my head can't recall who has done it, but I don't believe it to be new to cues. I also wonder if that ring goes into the forearm of the cue at all and how it's attached. Tim has done flat faced Acme pins before (he didn't like the threads) but maybe never directly into that ring. I hope this clears up the big mystery, of course I could be wrong and I am sure Tim wouldn't mind clearing it up, but if you were to slide the metal off that joint I am assuming that the black is one piece turned down and connects with that black ring under it.

Jim
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nick serdula said:
The joint collar is machined on the inside of it and the Phenolic is threadded so I really wouldn't think this is a sleve rather a full joint. I always thought sleved joints weren't threaded but never asked. .
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FWIW, some cuemakers thread their joint collars on. That's what it sound like you're describing. I can't see it in your photo, however. Maybe that shadow is hiding it?

Fred
 
Puzzling!

I am sure there are a million ways to build something like this but only a few will work at. Only Mike and Timi know. The joint is so funny to look at. The more you know about cues construction the more amazed you are by it. You start to forget the eight points and veneers and the short ferrels.
Then I pull it out and just say to myself Holy F#$@. Even the latest version of Mike's logo is art!! I wounder if that logo is ivory? And that little butt cap ivory? And those Greek keys ivory! I just say to myself WOW!
Then I start twisting the cue together and wounder if anything will bust while I almost strain to get it together. And I am 6'3' 225 lbs and my hobby was powerlifting!
But when I start swinging that is when I am impressed the most!
Thanks Mike !!:)
Nick Serdula

Cornerman said:
FWIW, some cuemakers thread their joint collars on. That's what it sound like you're describing. I can't see it in your photo, however. Maybe that shadow is hiding it?

Fred
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You know ...

I said the same thing Nick said each time I got married - 4 times so far... lol
It would have to play good because I just do not like a housewife butt on a cue (plain), I like cute butts (with inlays).
 
Me too!

x 4 1/2
Snapshot9 said:
I said the same thing Nick said each time I got married - 4 times so far... lol
It would have to play good because I just do not like a housewife butt on a cue (plain), I like cute butts (with inlays).
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I have been married 25 years only! I am pretty sure this cue has 25 years in it and it is here to stay.
I can't imagine how good I will get playing with the same cue. Real good will probably be a understatement. I only sold my last player because I wasn't playing. I had it for 7 or 8 years! It was a 5 veneer Scruggs cue. So I sold it to buy a car for one of my daughters starting college. And within two years of doing that this IPT thing explodes. Well I guess it is time to get playing again! I rember the look on John Schmidt's face when he saw me run 11 or 13 racks of 9 ball on a Brunswick 9 x 4 1/2 table in his old backers poolroom. They came up to me and asked me if it was alright to ask a personal question and I said sure! Have you ever been a profesional poolplayer? I said No I work for a living! They both looked at each other and sai at the same time " What the F%$# do you do that for"!!!
So I will start over with this cue and I am a lucky man..
Nick Serdula

Mike makes your kind of cue.
I really think you will never see another cue this plain from Mr Mike again!!
Mike told me so!!!

Thanks lots :)
Nick
 
nick serdula said:
I am sure there are a million ways to build something like this but only a few will work at. Only Mike and Timi know. The joint is so funny to look at. The more you know about cues construction the more amazed you are by it.
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Okay, now I finally figured out what you were saying. The plain black phenolic ring under the SS collar is actually a longer piece, but it's tenoned. It seems like you're saying that the tenon is threaded into the SS collar. But, I can't tell what you're describing. The result is a flat-faced SS joint, with the phenolic taking the brunt of the contact.

So, how is the phenolic tenon/ring piece connected to the forearm?

Fred
 
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I have never seen a joint pin set directly into linen[sp?] phenolic before. I have seen sleeved ivory joints similar to nicks cue tho. The ones I have seen were Ivory sleeved over lineen phenolic and the joint pin was set into wood in the center.
 
I have never seen or felt anything like it either!

I can't imagine how the ivory will hit and actually have no idea how the thing is constructed. Only that the joint ring and joint are now one piece and how it is accomplished is a mystery to me!
Thanks
Nick
 
cored forearm

Coring the forearm of a cue before joint, sleeve, and pin are installed has always been a standard way of most cuemakers assembly. It's usually done with wood though. It's primarily done for stability and to prevent warping. It's also done to achieve overall balance.
In this case, The nose of the forearm was cored with a high pressure laminate (such as LE phenolic). The rod is inserted several inches into the forearm after it has been drilled out. The collar area under the joint sleeve is turned to match the outer diameter, giving it the appearance of being separate collar, but it's actually one piece. The stainless steel sleeve, goes over the rod and then the joint pin is drilled and set. And voillah!! You have magic joint!
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
no, Bob DZ has not done this (that I know of anyways) and no, that is not the extent of my knowledge...nice try though. his cues are not the only ones around here nor are they the only ones I've ever used.
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Jeff-
Your secrecy here is strangely fascinating to say the least. You insist that you've seen this before and yet, you refuse to tell us where. You say that Tim and Mike aren't the first to do this and that you have first-hand knowledge of this but when asked to support this claim, you choose not to as if you are protecting someone.

My question to you is, don't you think that this cuemaker would want people to know that he makes this superior joint??

The other thing I find curious about this response is that, of the two or three posts that I've had in this thread so far, this is the one you responded to???
 
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For sure

None of us will ever know how this joint is constructed. If you are lucky enough to get one you will enjoy everything about the way it plays!
Nick
 
I like the cue.

Joint looks like simple capped phenolic with s/s sleeve. Normally capped hits harder in joints an ferrules.

Pinocchio
 
nick serdula said:
I can't imagine how the ivory will hit and actually have no idea how the thing is constructed. Only that the joint ring and joint are now one piece and how it is accomplished is a mystery to me!
Thanks
Nick
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2 things come to mind first off after reading you carrying on like this it becomes clear to me that you don't have the cue knowledge or experience (in cues,and construction) that I had previously given you credit for (not a knock).

And
2) I believe that you are doing just a bit too much in the way of promotion on this cue, I don't believe Mike was looking for this much BS when he gave you the cue. But I guess if it somehow makes you feel better inside or you feel you are repaying some debt carry on.

Jim
 
Hit Man said:
Coring the forearm of a cue before joint, sleeve, and pin are installed has always been a standard way of most cuemakers assembly. It's usually done with wood though. It's primarily done for stability and to prevent warping. It's also done to achieve overall balance.
In this case, The nose of the forearm was cored with a high pressure laminate (such as LE phenolic). The rod is inserted several inches into the forearm after it has been drilled out. The collar area under the joint sleeve is turned to match the outer diameter, giving it the appearance of being separate collar, but it's actually one piece. The stainless steel sleeve, goes over the rod and then the joint pin is drilled and set. And voillah!! You have magic joint!
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This *Magic* joint is being done by an every day poster here in AZ, I will not out this person, but this is not something that has never been done before. I don't mean to sound all cryptic like Dukie, but I am just not sure this person wants his techniques talked about here.

Jim
 
Well

After the first talk with Mike I know exactly how the thing is made and if you really want to know he uses Krytonite! Jimbo if you don't know maybe you should ask somebody. Everyone else Mike says not even close!
After I sell my other three cues I have laying around you all might not hear from me again.Enjoy yourselves
Happy pocketing
Nick
 
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