My Rant (Bands and League Play)

42NateBaller

AKA "Drambuie Dave"
Silver Member
Just venting. If you don't like long posts, skip this one.

I end up playing last in our league (APA). The place we played at has two modern rock bands play every Wednesday starting about 9:30pm. They're good bands that draw a bit of a crowd. My match goes on about 9:50pm. I'm playing the bar owner; a very nice and popular guy. Takes good care of his pool tables, and allows league players play for fee every night until 9pm.

Just a little setup, I have mild ADD. Had it all my life, so LOUD music and flashing lights are a distraction for me. But, what happened with the rest of the match is what made the evening thoroughly un-enjoyable for me, even though I won 5-3 (both APA SL6s playing 8-ball). By way of setup, I'm an easy going guy who treats everyone with courtesy and respect (unless they demonstrate they don't deserve it). I love to play matches against people of similar or greater skill level than myself. I really enjoy the competition.

First game, band is warming up, playing a couple cover tunes doing a good job, and introducing the band members. Second game, in full music swing. My opponent (the bar owner), now has people coming over to him saying the live music is great and introducing their friends, girlfriends, and generally chatting. First one or two times this happens during the second game, no big deal. I'm just trying to keep my focus. But then someone drags him away from the table; mind you, it?s been his shot this whole time.

So I go over to his team captain who agrees with me about the distractions and inappropriateness of just walking away from the table without a word to me. The captain chases him down, drags him back. During the course of that game there were a few safeties, so the game slowed down a bit. My opponent decides it?s now too warm in the bar and opens the patio door six feet directly behind the pool we?re shooting on while it?s my shot and while I?m down over the shot in mid trigger.

Now that the patio door is open, people start streaming in and out past the table with most stopping to talk to my opponent. His team captain had to drag him back to the table at least 3 more times to continue play. Now some of the close quarters crowd members are commenting on the games/shots. Some are crowding the table (like leaning against it). I try to work around it for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th games. But when some young guy in the crowd starts giving my opponent and me shot advice (at the top of his lungs, because the music is LOUD), I go over to my opponent and say this isn?t pool, and ask him if he wants to finish the match tomorrow. He then looks offended, as if I was just being unreasonable. He chases away the crowd, shuts the patio door, and tells me, ?There will that keep you from having excuses now?.

It sure did. I shut him out after that. Was I wrong to ask for a continuance?
 
No, i dont think you were wrong...perhaps scheduling a band on league night was not a good idea and your opponent was pretty rude...however...you must realize that if it wasnt for the bands and the big crowds the place would probably not have leagues because the place would be not be open. Its a catch 22 that most pool players dont understand. In alot of place...not all...but in a lot of places the good old fashioned pool room is either a dying breed or an extinct breed because of the sheer economics of the situation. In a lot of places, pool players are luck to even have the type of establishment that you are talking about.

I do agree that the owner fellow sounds like a real jerk.
 
Seen it all before.

Bar owner and band is on the job. You can't be upset with that.

I play with a guy who is also easily disrupted, and I'm sure he has similar to what you have (we talk about it all time).

All you can do is try to limit the amount of distractions, but as you said, you environment dictates this.

Do your best there, or hope your playing in a small quiet pool hall somewhere.

:)
 
Bomber,

Good points. I agree the place needs to make money, and the owner does take care of the pool players. Buys team shirts for Vegas teams, puts new cloth on the tables 3-4 times a year, allows league players to play for free until 9pm every day of the week.

He's generally a nice guy. I think he took offense to me saying, "hey look this isn't a pool match with all these distractions". I was down 1-3 at the time, and he's NEVER beaten me (in years). It wasn't sour grapes on my part. I can take a beating, but when one guy in the crowd actually bent over to see me line a shot up to the pocket he was standing by, that's when I call it a carnival and not a pool match. I always appreciate when my opponent turns in a fine pool performance.

I could live with the loud music, and some interruptions; after all he has a bar to run. But don't walk away when it's your shot, don't let your friends/acquaintances crowd the table, don't open doors 6 feet from the table while your opponent is down over a ball. It's those things that probably would have made the difference for me.

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Greg,

The distractions can be tough with my condition, and I generally just roll with it. I even make sure I play once a weekend in the bars for a couple hours just to work on my concentration. But some of things I mentioned just took away from the friendly competition of league night that I've come to enjoy.
 
I think you were well within your rights to be upset. I wouldn't worry about it. Some people show up to play, some people show up to socialize. That's the nature of leagues.
 
I like the sucker I am----followed the link to that establishment.

First off that is by no means a pool room. That is a dance club/bar with some pool tables in it. I am guessing that the pool and the leagues are there for one reason, and that is to provide some revenue during the dead parts of the day and week.

Second I personally would never shoot in a place like that. I would never play League, tournament, or gamble in any facility that resembled a place like that. Too many distractions whether they are noise, movement, rudeness or the sorority of the Omega Moos(yes I found the picture links.)

Thirdly places like that tend to bring in bad people. I personally play with very expensive sticks that any of those 200 drunken monkeys could knock over, grab and try to play with or just flat out try to steal.

Pool is meant to be played in a real pool room or a proper venue. These half-breed pool rooms is what is wrong with pool today. These style venues are what is truly giving pool a bad name.


Sorry, but that is my opinion.
 
Snap,

I certainly don't take offense to your comments. And many of your observations are dead on.

During the dead times, usually league nights and before 10pm, it's a good place to play.

Unfortunately, in my area, there's only one pool hall. It has four 9s, three 7s, and a snooker (mostly for golf). My point being that our only option for league play (APA, BCA, ACS, VNEA, other locals) is to play in bars. Again, if your out by 10pm, generally no problem. I just happen to run into a bad situation that caused me some angst.
 
Just about every bar/pool hall lets the leagues play there for little or no charge to sell beer. League nights are usually slower nights so bands are brought in to bring in a crowd. What I can't stand is when a player walks away from the table. There should be a time limit. If a player is not at the table in 60 seconds then it should be a foul or forfeit the game. I get up to go to work early. My leagues matches end around 11. I don't want to make the matches longer by having to wait for someone every time it is his shot.
 
kaznj said:
\There should be a time limit. If a player is not at the table in 60 seconds then it should be a foul or forfeit the game. I get up to go to work early. My leagues matches end around 11. I don't want to make the matches longer by having to wait for someone every time it is his shot.
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That's a really good idea. I think they should have to call timeout (and they're suppose to get 60 seconds). Anything beyond that and any additional walk-offs during the game should equate to a forfeit.
 
I think if he gives you free pool until 9pm then screw league. Just play on league just to get the free pool. That's what I do. I wouldnt jeapordize playing there, playing free, or anything else over something so simple as league.. Chances are if hes doing all that running around he'll be worse off than you any day :D

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I've had to play some people like that before but not quite that bad, I think you had every right to be upset about that stuff. I'm very glad that after he got pissy with you that you beat him! That always helps a little bit.
 
You were right to be put off by the bar owner's behavior. Why was he even playing? Seems like another player could have played or maybe a makeup game could have been scheduled? Sounds like the owner bit off more than he could chew and should have known better.

I haven't met a bar owner that wasn't a little nuts in some way anyhow. :rolleyes:

Gotta have a sense of humor about those "local" conditions though. Who know's? That team might be out of their element anywhere else :D
 
Snap9 said:
I like the sucker I am----followed the link to that establishment.

First off that is by no means a pool room. That is a dance club/bar with some pool tables in it. I am guessing that the pool and the leagues are there for one reason, and that is to provide some revenue during the dead parts of the day and week.

Second I personally would never shoot in a place like that. I would never play League, tournament, or gamble in any facility that resembled a place like that. Too many distractions whether they are noise, movement, rudeness or the sorority of the Omega Moos(yes I found the picture links.)

Thirdly places like that tend to bring in bad people. I personally play with very expensive sticks that any of those 200 drunken monkeys could knock over, grab and try to play with or just flat out try to steal.

Pool is meant to be played in a real pool room or a proper venue. These half-breed pool rooms is what is wrong with pool today. These style venues are what is truly giving pool a bad name.


Sorry, but that is my opinion.


Well, I agree with you and that's why I quit leagues 3-4 years ago, and my big brother just sucked me back in to sub on his team (sub, yeah, I will end up the weekly anchor, like always). Playing for a new Pool room, but we have to play in both Pool rooms and bars.

Your reasons above is some of the reason too that inhouse leagues have become popular because: 1) Members get to play where they want with no traveling 2) Many inhouse leagues have cheaper weekly dues 3) Not playing in bars
 
It's called a bar league because games arey typically played in bars. Bar leagues tend to attract typical bar patrons who also happen to enjoy pool.

If you can see where I'm going with this, all I can say is get used to more of the same.
 
"Was I wrong to ask for a continuance?"

Not at all.

At least you say the music was good. Try playing on karaoke night! (god, it was awful)
 
the way I see it, he's working, keeping upbeat with his customers, of which you are one of them, so he's playing (pool) with you but he has to small talk and greet everyone else just a host has to respond like that too. Thats that. :cool:
yeah, you were wrong but the customer is always right so he listens and then accomodates you to the appropiate degree.
Rock bands and safeties don't mix.
 
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