Need confirmation about Low Deflection

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rajasa

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First of all, sorry for my english.

What is Low Deflection cue?
As long as a cue has mass there will always be deflection.
So it mean low deflection cue still has deflection but lesser and still need to compensate when using side spin, isn't it?

Dr. Dave at billiard university colostate said the easiest method to compensate deflection is to use pivot point for FHE or BHE. This physics fact make me think. Isn't it harder to compensate deflection with Low Deflection cue because the pivot point too far back and unnatural for bridging?
 
rajasa said:
First of all, sorry for my english.

What is Low Deflection cue?
As long as a cue has mass there will always be deflection.
So it mean low deflection cue still has deflection but lesser and still need to compensate when using side spin, isn't it?

Dr. Dave at billiard university colostate said the easiest method to compensate deflection is to use pivot point for FHE or BHE. This physics fact make me think. Isn't it harder to compensate deflection with Low Deflection cue because the pivot point too far back and unnatural for bridging?
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Low deflection should be called high deflection.
Less front end mass, means that the cue will squirt to the side of the CB after striking it. Giving the CB a straighter path to its target.
The more the shaft will move out of the way after striking the CB, the more "low deflection" it is.
This means that you have compensate less for sverve with a LD shaft. The downside to LD shafts is that some have som much material taken out in the front that it makes the shaft feel dead and/or it also affects the durability if the shaft.
Some makers have struck a good balance between LD charateristics and feel/durability.
I wan't name any names, if you are curious, you can PM me :)
 
I understand what you trying to say.
LD shaft absolutely can reduce the deflection.
Thx for the explanation, but that is not the answer i lookimg for.
My true question is :
"isn't it harder to learn how to compensate squirt/deflection with an LD shaft? Because you can't use exact method like Front Hand English or Back Hand English with an LD shaft. The pivot point too far back and so unnatural."
CMIIW
 
rajasa said:
I understand what you trying to say.
LD shaft absolutely can reduce the deflection.
Thx for the explanation, but that is not the answer i lookimg for.
My true question is :
"isn't it harder to learn how to compensate squirt/deflection with an LD shaft? Because you can't use exact method like Front Hand English or Back Hand English with an LD shaft. The pivot point too far back and so unnatural."
CMIIW
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Judging by how popular LD shafts are, yes it seems that it's easier to judge the physics with a LD shaft, as the CB travles in less of an arc, compared to a regular shaft.
But the most important thing is to get ti know your equipment and play with it consistently, then you learn how your equipment responds to a given shot.
 
a longer pivot point is better for back hand English. The back hand has to move less distance side to side to move the tip. There are videos on youtube that explain how to find the proper pivot point. I believe this is why everyone says to stay with one shaft get used to it and don't change. if you use parallel English then you ld shafts will help. less compensation.
 
One more time sorry for my english.
Sorry, but i dont agree with you.
Longer pivot point maybe better to compensate the squirt with BHE, but no players comfortable enough with super long bridge even top pros.
I can say there is no such thing as Parallel English. Because, to use 'Parallel' English you need NO deflection shaft. Its impossible. As long as the shaft has mass there is deflection/squirt.
Im not a pro player, not even a good player, not in million years. But IMHO based on the law of physics, the easiest shaft to deal with deflection/squirt is medium low deflection shaft. Because you can use exact physic method with it unlike High Deflection Shaft (Pivot Point Too Short) or Super Low Deflection shaft (Pivot Point Too Long).
CMIIW
 
I shot pool with parallel English for a long time with a predator Z2 one of the lowest LD shafts on the market and could break and run a rack that way. I now shoot with back hand and front hand same shaft. I am learning now that on very soft touch shots with a shorter bridge length with a lot of English is easy to miss the shot your not shooting hard enough to get deflection or squirt a parallel shift or front hand is the easier way to go. but LD or not a power spin shot the wrong pivot point the ball will not go. This a topic that's easy to go back and fourth on. I am also no way near a pro I am an ok shot in the amateur world. everything is how I feel from my experience. theres a million wrong ways to shot pool and still be great its all about what works for you.
 
Sure, the best cue is what works for you.
The cue that you use the most so youre familiar with it almost like the extension of your own hand.
But what im talking about is which cue has the exact physic method to compensate squirt/deflection? This question purpose only to help beginner understand the squirt/deflection easier when they about to buy they first cue.
For example, super low deflection shaft users struggling when using another cue. After using super LD for long period of time they understand how to compensate everything with it. And thats what we call 'feeling'. But feeling alone cant be explained to everyone, even to yourself. Physic can.
Same goes to parallel english. When somebody uses the parallel english they actually pivoted the cue with their own unique way because the 'feeling' came out automatically. In reality the cue still not parallel with the aiming line. This theory can be tested on a robot.

Im not telling you which cue are better, but which cue are easier to understand.
Sorry if im wrong, i dont mean to cause any offence.
Still i agree with you. The best cue is the cue that works for you.
 
physics will never make you a strong shooter. It might make you understand a lot of thing about a pool cue and the effects of English but at the end of the day there is millions of combinations of englishes and shot speeds you can use to get from point A to B witch will require time and feel. a great stroke verse a poor stoke one will hit harder or softer with more or less English and might get the same result both had to make a judgement on compensation.
 
rajasa said:
I understand what you trying to say.
LD shaft absolutely can reduce the deflection.
Thx for the explanation, but that is not the answer i lookimg for.
My true question is :
"isn't it harder to learn how to compensate squirt/deflection with an LD shaft? Because you can't use exact method like Front Hand English or Back Hand English with an LD shaft. The pivot point too far back and so unnatural."
CMIIW
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Back hand English and pivot points are not exact methods either. They vary with circumstances. Learning to compensate for, say, 1/2" of change in the contact point is easier to do that learning to compensate for 1.0" of change in the contact point. There is no reason to use a pivot point with LD shaft, trying to do so is counterproductive. The only compensation I use is which part of the ferrule I use to sight to the cut angle of the object ball..... regardless of bridge length, speed of stroke or English applied.
 
Thx.
I really appreciate your answers.
I agree. No matter what cue u choose, the most important thing is how well you master it.
The quality of a cue isnt only about it deflection properties.
It's the indian, not the arrow.
 
rajasa said:
Thx.
I really appreciate your answers.
I agree. No matter what cue u choose, the most important thing is how well you master it.
The quality of a cue isnt only about it deflection properties.
It's the indian, not the arrow.
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It's both.... not all Indians are created equal.
 
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