Need some help choosing a tip..

TheVirus

The Pool Guy
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I currently use a Tiger sniper on my main shaft, I like it, no complaints... no mushrooming either, at least not visible.

A lot of people, including the guy I went to, to get the tiger sniper, told me moori was a better tip... but I said eh I like sniper just put it on lol..

I want a good tip for good back spin, good english, I don't want a hard tip at all...

A few other people also told me Kamuii's are great...

How are moori softs or kamuii softs? Should I get a super soft? Should I stick with my sniper tip? I really need AZ's expertise at this because I don't really know much about this stuff yet =[
 
Try an Elkmaster to see if you like soft.

Try a Triangle to see if you like hard.

This test only costs a dollar in parts but will tell you a great deal about what type of tip you prefer.
 
I currently use a Tiger sniper on my main shaft, I like it, no complaints... no mushrooming either, at least not visible.

I want a good tip for good back spin, good english, I don't want a hard tip at all...

Tip hardness does not have a significant impact on the amount of spin you can put on the CB. You CAN put massive backspin on the CB with an XHard tip if you stroke the CB with deliberateness and significant follow through. I can shoot the length of the table and then draw the CB back the length of the table with a Hard tip (81.4 on the durrometer).

Sniper tips are 66.9 on the durrometer and called a medium by Tiger. Other tips in this ballpark hardness: Molavia:66.6:soft, Kamuii:69.6:soft.
Other tips softer than this: Black Jack:63.4:mediumsoft, Talisman Pro:64.3:soft, Tiger:65.3:Soft
One tick up the hardness scale:Kamuii II:71.3:mediumsoft
Everything else seems to be 74 minimum.
 
Tip hardness does not have a significant impact on the amount of spin you can put on the CB. You CAN put massive backspin on the CB with an XHard tip if you stroke the CB with deliberateness and significant follow through. I can shoot the length of the table and then draw the CB back the length of the table with a Hard tip (81.4 on the durrometer).

Sniper tips are 66.9 on the durrometer and called a medium by Tiger. Other tips in this ballpark hardness: Molavia:66.6:soft, Kamuii:69.6:soft.
Other tips softer than this: Black Jack:63.4:mediumsoft, Talisman Pro:64.3:soft, Tiger:65.3:Soft
One tick up the hardness scale:Kamuii II:71.3:mediumsoft
Everything else seems to be 74 minimum.

I've my fair shares of miscues when trying to draw with a hard cue tip, is that my stroke then?
 
I currently use a Tiger sniper on my main shaft, I like it, no complaints... no mushrooming either, at least not visible.

A lot of people, including the guy I went to, to get the tiger sniper, told me moori was a better tip... but I said eh I like sniper just put it on lol..

I want a good tip for good back spin, good english, I don't want a hard tip at all...

A few other people also told me Kamuii's are great...

How are moori softs or kamuii softs? Should I get a super soft? Should I stick with my sniper tip? I really need AZ's expertise at this because I don't really know much about this stuff yet =[

I started with a sniper on a z-2 shaft, tried a bunch of stuff out there but now i'm back to using a sniper on a solid wood shaft.

Sniper is a great tip, if it feels too hard to you then try the onyx tip.

Moori's are not as good as they were. They are very inconsistent and most are hard as a rock. I would never get another Moori tip again because to me it felt like a break tip.

Kamui tips are great too. The brown ones will feel more solid than a sniper and the black ones much harder but due to the elasticity you'll get more spin then you think you would.

If you feel like you want a change and don't like the sniper anymore only then i would change, tips are all personal preference. If you like your cue tip then don't listen to what others say. They'll put doubts in your mind and then when you miss you'll have doubts in your cue. Have confidence in your equipment no matter what it is. If you want to blame the cue then use a house cue lol.
 
I've my fair shares of miscues when trying to draw with a hard cue tip, is that my stroke then?

Yes, I would guess most times it is your stroke. We can not see your stroke but it sounds like your fairly new to the game. Newer players lack basic fundamentals to strike the cue ball with accuracy. If you miscue trying to hit the c/b low then you lack accuracy.

I doubt you need your tip replaced, just maintain the shape and make sure it holds chalk. Some scuffing may be needed especially after a miscue. At this point I'd suggest not to waste time and money on tips if your OK with the firmness of your present tip.

What you should do is seek help with stroke fundamentals. Instruction is best but until then Dr Dave has an excellent site that answers most questions. http://billiards.colostate.edu/videos/index.html#instructional

Rod
 
Switched from a Everest to a Kamui black soft and love it!

Maybe my stroke somehow got better since i switched or its the type of tip thats right for my but my draw is so much more straighter than before. I have no fears in my draw swerving right or left anymore. If i want it to go straight back its going straight back! Its a fun tip to play with!

Was gonna go for the SS but opted for the soft because its closer to the everest. If this thread is still alive ill post my ss experience when i switch!
 
Try an Elkmaster to see if you like soft.

Try a Triangle to see if you like hard.

This test only costs a dollar in parts but will tell you a great deal about what type of tip you prefer.

Yes, by all means if you like trimming your tip every week try an Elkmaster!
 
Yes, by all means if you like trimming your tip every week try an Elkmaster!

Try a pressed Elkmaster. stick it in the vice and press it a little. its my understanding Efren used to play with a pressed Elkmaster. they are still on the soft side, but slightly harder than a regular Elkmaster.

DCP
 
Try a pressed Elkmaster. stick it in the vice and press it a little. its my understanding Efren used to play with a pressed Elkmaster. they are still on the soft side, but slightly harder than a regular Elkmaster.

DCP

I read that he pressed his own elkmasters when he used them haha... never understood why, but I guess I do now.. eh

As for other comments. I don't miscue with my sniper, I miscue when I use a housecue which obviously have hard tips, i don't know what kind, probably standard le pro? or triangle idk.

How soft is a super soft anyways? can you bang around balls with a super soft or do you actually have to slow your roll most of the time?
 
I would try getting something harder. It forces you to deliver a good stroke on every shot and in my opinion plays much more consistent due to it holding its shape. Just make sure you scuff it once in awhile to avoid miscues, but believe it or not, some of my best stroke shots came from when i used a hard tip.
 
I think that Tiger and Kamaui make a great tip regardless of if it is balck ss or a sniper or onyx.
I have never had an issue with these mushrooming.
If you are having issues with draw and spin my guess is that you storke is 90% of the issue and not the tip.
No tip will fix that.
IMO save the cash on the tip and get a lesson to help you understand what the issue really is.
 
Try an Elkmaster to see if you like soft.

Try a Triangle to see if you like hard.

This test only costs a dollar in parts but will tell you a great deal about what type of tip you prefer.

I agree tho triangles are not classified as hard.....med/hard I beleive

tho I find they hold up more like a hard tip while maintaining the good gripping surface of a softer tip.

Its not completely about the "hardness" of a tip its how its surface acts along with the hardness.

Take LePro....they are HARD.....the face of the tip will GLAZE over and have a GLOSS shine

Triangle and dont do that unless you miscued with them (then it will have a gloss mark) but they do have a FLAT finish with no FUZZIES........

Elkmasters is just like the triangle except that you have a little more fuzz to the tip when you work the surface.....the leather is less dense and more fibrous? (not sure if this is the right word)

but if you look at an elkmaster and say a LEPRO.....the le-pro looks like its processed/chopped/reformed/glued/pressed with how the sides look like particle board.

I can't get a solid look on the sides of a lepro....but i can with an elkmaster or triangle, thats what leads me to believe that the lepros are reconstituted leather.

This is why I think they "Gloss Glaze" over on the tip so easy, b/c of the GLUE.......there's too much glue in the mix.

You have to look at your game when choosing a tip type.

Do you play the outer edges of the ball alot, always jucing up whitey, soft spins etc and you have a softer hitting cue.....then I'd suggest a tip on the softer side. Go with a pressed and soaked Elkmaster called a "MILK DUD" try that b/c its cheaper than most layered tips and should hold up well if you like the softest styles of tip.

If you like to stay in the core of the OB when applying english, and you like to get good pop off the shaft, play cuts with more CUT than spin for pocketing and natural position, and shoot with a stiffer/lots of spine cue. Then I'd suggest a med/hard tip like a pressed triangle.

These comments are just thoughts off the top of my head, so don't take them as the gospel.

But players that spin their ball a ton I find don't generally like the harder tips like lepros, and players that generally shoot UBER straight tend to not care for soft tips like elkmaster.

This is where some of the better layered tips come in as they let you have the resiliance to mushrooming like in a hard tip but you can get the grip of a soft tip without the sponginess or vice verse.

hope that helps you make a more informed decision

no tip is really better than the other when it comes to play, its like "hit" its subjective......the only thing to really consider b/s how a tip plays for you is how well it holds its shape. You need the tip that best fits YOUR UNIQUE GAME....don't use a tip just cuz some champ plays with it.

If you like a tip but it doesn't hold its shape then it needs to be pressed, or pressed and soaked in a solution like milk when using elkmasters to make milk duds.

hope the info helps...
-Grey Ghost-
 
I currently use a Tiger sniper on my main shaft, I like it, no complaints... no mushrooming either, at least not visible.

A lot of people, including the guy I went to, to get the tiger sniper, told me moori was a better tip... but I said eh I like sniper just put it on lol..

I want a good tip for good back spin, good english, I don't want a hard tip at all...

A few other people also told me Kamuii's are great...

How are moori softs or kamuii softs? Should I get a super soft? Should I stick with my sniper tip? I really need AZ's expertise at this because I don't really know much about this stuff yet =[

I have played with a Kamui super soft for a while. It's not THAT soft, no problem hitting balls hard. I like it a lot.
 
I like kamui medium soft & wizard medium ... But if you have a tip that works for you keep it !! In other words if it ain't broke don't fix it...LOL.There are so mane tips on the market where would you stop trying out tips ? Everyone has their own preference and what someone else likes you may not. It's ok to try different tips out I do it all the time but I can install them myself. So all I am out is the price of the tip. I have people ask me what are good tips ,,and I tell them what I use or what I have and they pick one. Then a week later you get the guy calling you on the phone saying he doesnt like the tip and wants me to put another one on for FREE !! :eek: So I never tell anyone what tip to use cause everyone has different taste and what I want in a tip may not be what someone else is looking for. So if you wanna try something different go a head but always keep a extra shaft with the sniper on it so just in case you dont like the way your new tip plays,,,,<<ED
 
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