neutral balance on a 60" cue

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Hi,

I want to order a 60" cue because I feel I could use the extra length, but I am not sure what balance point to specify. I know I prefer 58" cues balanced at 18.75" from the butt. How would this translate to a longer cue? I don't know anyone who owns a 60" so I have nothing to compare to.


Thanks
Ian
 
Either find some people with a 60" cues, or go as cheap as you can on your first order. (sneaky pete, maybe?) It sounds like you are pretty sensitive to the balance, and it would suck to order a really nice cue and have it not work out how you want.
You could start with 19.75", which would be somewhat proportionate to the balance of the 58" cue.
Maybe you could find a cuemaker willing to send you a 60" cue to try?
 
Using your 18.75" balance point on a 58" cue, that would translate to a 19.4" balance point on a 60" cue. However, I don't know what that would feel like if you stroke both of them....that's just the math behind it. I have used and hit with 60" cues, but never measured the balance point. However, I do have 3 59" cues and could see what the balance point on those is like. I believe they are all around 19"-19.5", but I would have to check on that later. Good luck to you!
 
fullsplicefiend said:
Hi,

I want to order a 60" cue because I feel I could use the extra length, but I am not sure what balance point to specify. I know I prefer 58" cues balanced at 18.75" from the butt. How would this translate to a longer cue? I don't know anyone who owns a 60" so I have nothing to compare to.


Thanks
Ian
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The perfect balance would be 20". Ask Dave B. He would say the same thing.

I say around 19.5" - 20" and you will be ok.
 
60 inch cues

Good morning,
You are welcome to visit my website: http://www.triplecrosscues.com

All my cues come with at least a 59 inch length. It's not uncommon for a balance point to be between 19 and 20.5 inches on longer cues. Sometimes the weight of the shaft can be adjusted for your specific needs. I don't suggest neutral balanced cues though. Too easy to lift off open bridging. Just my advise.
Hope to discuss more in the future.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
 
What I believe is the answer to your question.

fullsplicefiend said:
Hi,

I want to order a 60" cue because I feel I could use the extra length, but I am not sure what balance point to specify. I know I prefer 58" cues balanced at 18.75" from the butt. How would this translate to a longer cue? I don't know anyone who owns a 60" so I have nothing to compare to.


Thanks
Ian
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Hi Ian,
The measurement you need to know when you have a cue that you love the balance of is from the top of the ferrule to the balance point.
A 58" cue as you described the balance point is 39.25" from the top of the ferrule. Even if you play with a 60" cue, there are a couple of other things that are not going to change, like the length of your arms..:) so there for when down on the average shot you will to have the same spread distance from your grip hand to the bridge hand. Also you are more than likely going to play with the same length bridge as well (distance from tip to front of bridge hand) and believe you should.
Considering all of this if the balance point on your 60" cue is also 39.25" from the top it will feel just as good to you. What will be different is that you will have 2" more hanging past your grip hand than you'll have with the 58" cue with most shots played.
Just my opinion, and what I would do for myself.
Hope this helps you.

Sincerely, Dennis
 
fullsplicefiend said:
Hi,

I want to order a 60" cue because I feel I could use the extra length, but I am not sure what balance point to specify. I know I prefer 58" cues balanced at 18.75" from the butt. How would this translate to a longer cue? I don't know anyone who owns a 60" so I have nothing to compare to.


Thanks
Ian
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Yes, you do...
 
I'm always amused by this line of thinking.... keep "moving the balance"

If you just find the balance from a different "datum", say one that doesn move with length, like the tip for instance, then your favorite balance point can stay the same regardless of overall length.

If I have a 57" cue balanced 40" from the tip and a 60" cue balanced 40" from the tip, they will feel the same to the player.

Think about it.
 
already explained.

dirtypool40 said:
I'm always amused by this line of thinking.... keep "moving the balance"



If you just find the balance from a different "datum", say one that doesn move with length, like the tip for instance, then your favorite balance point can stay the same regardless of overall length.

If I have a 57" cue balanced 40" from the tip and a 60" cue balanced 40" from the tip, they will feel the same to the player.

Think about it.
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If you read post #7 your point was already explained, and agree.
Remember not everyone will have the same knowledge or level of thinking as another on a given subject, which is why they ask the questions.


Dennis <--wishes He knew more. :)
 
searingcue said:
If you read post #7 your point was already explained, and agree.
Remember not everyone will have the same knowledge or level of thinking as another on a given subject, which is why they ask the questions.


Dennis <--wishes He knew more. :)
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i happen to play with a 59'' cue. i dont understand both of your concept. help me. if you have a 58" cue with a balance point at 40 from tip and you a 60" cue with a balance point at 40'' to me the cue will still feel different bc there is more mass at the back end. i only really weigh a cue for specs. when im determining total weight i go by balance point only and adjust weight accordingly.

dennis do you do the same or just make the cue weight 19.25 or whatever is wanted. i like a 58''cue with a balance point a 18.5 with every inch i go back about .5''

i always want to learn so if im wrong id love to hear you input
 
I have a 60 inch cue that I built about 3-4 years ago, and carry around in My case with 3 other personal cues that I carry. It's My second choice as a player cue. I have It balanced at around 43.75" from the ferrule.

Alot of people have been asking me about doing cues that are 60" and over, and I know people that have them all the way up to 65". Right now I think 62" would be pushing the limits of what I'm comfortable with building. I know people that have had longer ones built as mentioned, and they say they love them, but I think I would have to seriously alter My tapers to get something I was happy with. Maybe when I have more time I'll experiement with It though.

Greg
 
dirtypool40 said:
I'm always amused by this line of thinking.... keep "moving the balance"

If you just find the balance from a different "datum", say one that doesn move with length, like the tip for instance, then your favorite balance point can stay the same regardless of overall length.

If I have a 57" cue balanced 40" from the tip and a 60" cue balanced 40" from the tip, they will feel the same to the player.

Think about it.
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It will not be the same to the player.

57" cue balanced at 40" will be a butt/rear heavy cue.
The neutral balance for a 57" should be 38" if you
are measuring from the tip down.

60" cue balanced at 40" will be about or very close to neutral balance.
anything less than 40" will be consider forward balance cue (IMO).
Dennis measurement for 60" cue (balance - 39.25") is perfect for Pocket billiard. That is what I also like for my playing cue, a slight forward balance.

The bridge like what Dennis said, is also very important. As every player have different Bridge distance, cue maker should know how much weight or size of the shaft he need to adjust to accomodate the player style of play.

Bear in mind that the type of shaft used should also be considered, e.g. L/D shaft. It is something which should put into the equation when looking for the perfect balance.

p/s - Dennis, I've emailed you. Hope to hear from you. Tks :wink:
 
dave sutton said:
i happen to play with a 59'' cue. i dont understand both of your concept. help me. if you have a 58" cue with a balance point at 40 from tip and you a 60" cue with a balance point at 40'' to me the cue will still feel different bc there is more mass at the back end. i only really weigh a cue for specs. when im determining total weight i go by balance point only and adjust weight accordingly.

dennis do you do the same or just make the cue weight 19.25 or whatever is wanted. i like a 58''cue with a balance point a 18.5 with every inch i go back about .5''

i always want to learn so if im wrong id love to hear you input
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Anything below 39.33" is good for a 59" cue to be used for pocket billiard.
 
Neutral Feel

dennis do you do the same or just make the cue weight 19.25 or whatever is wanted. i like a 58''cue with a balance point a 18.5 with every inch i go back about .5''

Hi Dave,
There's a lot more to it than just what the measurement is from one end or the other that a cue will balance on a point. Where the weight is in the cue is very important. You can have two cues that weigh, and balance exactly the same, and yet don't feel the same. One of the cues could have most of the weight at the two ends of the butt, and the other weighted more throughout the butt.
It's to much for me to explain in type, butt my advice would be to build a couple of examples of cues as described above to experiment with, and feel for yourself, as well as pay attention to how the ball behaves with each one.
To answer your question, Yes..it's more important to me to build a cue that has a neutral feel, than it is to land on an exact pre-determined weight.
In my opinion when a cue does have a neutral feel it becomes more difficult to feel just how much a cue weighs, and of course if it's within a couple tenths or so anyway. I would rather play with that cue, than with my favorite weight that didn't feel neutral to me.

Thank you, Dennis
 
searingcue said:
dennis do you do the same or just make the cue weight 19.25 or whatever is wanted. i like a 58''cue with a balance point a 18.5 with every inch i go back about .5''

Hi Dave,
There's a lot more to it than just what the measurement is from one end or the other that a cue will balance on a point. Where the weight is in the cue is very important. You can have two cues that weigh, and balance exactly the same, and yet don't feel the same. One of the cues could have most of the weight at the two ends of the butt, and the other weighted more throughout the butt.
It's to much for me to explain in type, butt my advice would be to build a couple of examples of cues as described above to experiment with, and feel for yourself, as well as pay attention to how the ball behaves with each one.
To answer your question, Yes..it's more important to me to build a cue that has a neutral feel, than it is to land on an exact pre-determined weight.
In my opinion when a cue does have a neutral feel it becomes more difficult to feel just how much a cue weighs, and of course if it's within a couple tenths or so anyway. I would rather play with that cue, than with my favorite weight that didn't feel neutral to me.

Thank you, Dennis
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well said i agree. when you find a cue that feels like part of your arm its hard to beat. we feel the same but explain it differently. feel vs balance vs weight. thanks for your input.

psm i saw that ivory jointed cue with the stainless steel insert in the pilot. sick! what a great idea. wonder how it feels. is that the only one you made like that?
 
dave sutton said:
psm i saw that ivory jointed cue with the stainless steel insert in the pilot. sick! what a great idea. wonder how it feels. is that the only one you made like that?
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Anyone of you two mind sharing some pictures? :D
 
searingcue said:
To answer your question, Yes..it's more important to me to build a cue that has a neutral feel, than it is to land on an exact pre-determined weight.
In my opinion when a cue does have a neutral feel it becomes more difficult to feel just how much a cue weighs, and of course if it's within a couple tenths or so anyway. I would rather play with that cue, than with my favorite weight that didn't feel neutral to me.

Thank you, Dennis
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Dennis, that joint is awesome - like what Dave mentioned.

Do post some pictures (or emailed) after you have launch your new stuffs.
We can't wait. :happydance:
 
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