New 1P Rules For The Derby City Classic

[maha]

true but the opponent getting ahead can wedge balls up table and force you to sell out or forfeit because your time will run out.

no way should a time clock can be made to effect your outcome from your opponents play of it.

it isnt like chess but where one player can make games last much longer.

example your down 3 to 0 in a race to five. he slows the game down and you have no chance of ever getting past him in the score.
so you might have to slam break balls open so the games can go faster.

 

[straightline]

true but the opponent getting ahead can wedge balls up table and force you to sell out or forfeit because your time will run out.

no way should a time clock can be made to effect your outcome from your opponents play of it.

it isnt like chess but where one player can make games last much longer.

example your down 3 to 0 in a race to five. he slows the game down and you have no chance of ever getting past him in the score.
so you might have to slam break balls open so the games can go faster.

This is why penalizing the up-table game should be a requirement. Over the limit could be a win or loss. Either has intellectual/strategic elements.

 

[Bob Jewett]

true but the opponent getting ahead can wedge balls up table and force you to sell out or forfeit because your time will run out.
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It is possible to set the clock to have a "grace period", and your clock doesn't start to run on your turn until after the grace period is finished. With a 20-second grace period, and quick decisions, you could play through a long spell of safes by your opponent. Note that you are allowed to think about your shot while the balls are still rolling from your opponent's shot. Your turn does not start until it is legal for you to shoot.

And if up-table play is used as a strategy for time tactics, apply the Grady rule as a last resort.

 

[Baby Huey]

There's a problem where one player can control where balls end up. To have a wedge it takes TWO willing participants to want the same situation. I'm not saying balls don't got up table but rather getting into a wedge is a different scenario. Bob Jewett mentioned a a "grace period" and use of the "Grady Rule" if needed. Both are reasonable options if some pre-established time period elapsed for the players to play the game before other measures were put in place.

 

[straightline]

There's a problem where one player can control where balls end up. To have a wedge it takes TWO willing participants to want the same situation. I'm not saying balls don't got up table but rather getting into a wedge is a different scenario. Bob Jewett mentioned a a "grace period" and use of the "Grady Rule" if needed. Both are reasonable options if some pre-established time period elapsed for the players to play the game before other measures were put in place.

Why allow a wedge anyway? Is it pool or tugga waw? (Indian game) Since it's DCC, breakout the doubling cubes, stiffen the up table rules, make it 2 outta 3 with the look of high stakes - chips, wads , whatever. If they wanna play the old fashioned "man's" way, do it in the action rooms.

 

[lfigueroa]

Even with all of that, 1-pckt takes a long time to play.

Room owners need to make money by having more players present at tournaments and spectators.
Unless you play this game watching it can be boring for spectators.

Could it be that tournament one pocket and gambler style between two players one pocket diverge to fill
the room owners needs?

There have been a few conversations I have had about this. One form would be like Straight Pool where you
can break make a ball and start running balls, the other that I've heard is to simply allow the games to go on as usual and
to have the players to race to a number of balls under the current rules.

Other deciding factors could come up like-- is this going to be rotating the break etc.

I am registered to play one this month, where Fargo and spots are being employed and I have no Fargo rating and there will be spots used, so there are a lot of things that could be done to bring the game into I guess you would call it, the new age, where Pool Leagues are the
biggest action around. We need to bring folks into the game, because it's the best game there is.

This past weekend in my local room there were 192 players at a 7ft bar table event with 10's of thousands of dollars
on the line. That is a movement getting more attention than the older tours around here ever did.

Pool changes slow, but it does change.

Chess Clocks have gotten better and cheaper since I had a chess club.

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1pocket, especially nowadays, does not take a long time to play.

Just at the International Open and virtaually all the matches finished well under the three hour limit. Personally, I believe it's because the common style of play has evolved thanks to Efren, Scott, and Tony. The old, "you don't kick at a ball unless you're mad at your backer" is far in the past and guys are shooting much more sophisticated shots, banks, kicks, and safeties from 20-30 years ago. The fact is that if you want to be competitive today you have to be far more aggressive than in years past. You don't really see anywhere near as many games with a bunch of balls up table anymores.

Not saying there aren't dinosaurs still out there but if it's a decent field time is not a problem. The Derby is just a different kettle of fish.

Lou Figueroa

 

[gregcantrall]

This topic reminds me of the report of Cole and Cecil Tugwell playing 7 games of 1 pocket in 35 minutes. With the breaker running out in his second inning every game.
Give them a chess clock set at 35 minutes.
Should move the event along .

 

[336Robin]

1pocket, especially nowadays, does not take a long time to play.

Just at the International Open and virtaually all the matches finished well under the three hour limit. Personally, I believe it's because the common style of play has evolved thanks to Efren, Scott, and Tony. The old, "you don't kick at a ball unless you're mad at your backer" is far in the past and guys are shooting much more sophisticated shots, banks, kicks, and safeties from 20-30 years ago. The fact is that if you want to be competitive today you have to be far more aggressive than in years past. You don't really see anywhere near as many games with a bunch of balls up table anymores.

Not saying there aren't dinosaurs still out there but if it's a decent field time is not a problem. The Derby is just a different kettle of fish.

Lou Figueroa

Agreed.

That isn't bad for the Derby which is set up for it.

When you start using pool rooms for tournaments, other things start being a problem,
like taking up all of the 9ft tables all day on Saturday which is high earning potential time.
So, tournament wise it's not for every room.

 

[qolbrand]

the only way i could see a chess clock is if the ref puts it in after seeing slow play.
other wise it is a distraction and punishment to all the players. unless it is automatic or the ref is using it.

but it can only be a shot clock and not a time bank as that becomes a weapon.

I like that.

“alright boys put on your dunce hats and finish up”

no problems, no clocks

 

[straightline]

Probably more important: The official has to have the backing of management to squish the snails. I doubt that's the case.

I still have hope for chess clocks. In my experience, just having a clock at the table makes the snails move faster. And sometimes they just go away.

Just occurred to me chess has stalemates just like one pocket. The only difference being their disposition.

Therefore...

 

[Tobermory]

For a different approach to the problem of stalling, see the thread “DCC 1p Rule Change,” ##33-39.