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Jeff, your wish is my command. My first effort. That's the set up. Just remove balls 1 and 2 leaving the 3 ball which is a fairly sporty shot.
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PS: Ok, as mentioned earlier, there is a functional limit to that system...I'm still messing with it but with the CB 8-9 ball widths from the rail...out toward center table on the head string, 2 chalk widths are necessary to located the NCP.

Beyond that, the center of the CB points off the OB...HOWEVER...with MY EYES...here's what I do.

When using the top center aiming method looks too thick...and its easy (for me) to tell, then for a cut to the LEFT, just aim the LEFT edge of the cue tip to the RIGHT edge of the OB...no overlapping onto the ball and no gap between the cb/ob.

That works all the way to a BACK cut with the cb 1 ball width to the right of the front left corner of the break box. A thinner cut than that requires A) a half tip gap if you see it is REALLY thin but POSSIBLE to over cut.

If you see it as impossible to over cut, then the gap goes to a full tip width. Using that method, I can set an OB on the short rail 1 diamond from, say, the right corner and 1/4 in. off the rail and put the CB at the front left corner of the break box and make the shot routinely.

If I move the OB to a diamond and a half left of the right corner...still a 1/4 in. off the rail, it is SO thin that you have to use 3 1/2 table length CB roll speed to move the OB into the pocket.

So, it's a sporty safety to use half that speed...move the OB a half diamond right along the rail and leave the CB pretty far up table.

But on the shot described in my famous first WEI diagram, the 1 chalk NCP is WICKED out to 7 ball widths from the right rail and sporty as hell with 2 chalk widths out to 8 and 9 ball widths.

It's late but I gotta be 90%+ out to 7 balls...70% at 8 and 9 and 50-60 all the way to fan thin.

Again,,,my eyes...my subconscious adjustments...so I may be the only living person that can make any use of this....but it makes ME happy as hell....and when SCOTT LEE comes over to give me my next lesson WITH THE TWO HUNDRED DOLLAR DISCOUNT FOR WINNING OUR BET...there will be a credible human being who can report on all this.

And Scott...I'll have a "spot shot" contest with you with the OB moving from 2-7 ball widths off the rail on the head string...both sides...so that's 12 shots per inning for double or nothing!!!!!!

But WAIT...THERE's MORE...You also get Pamela's famous Lasagna FREE!!!!!!

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This is a system that I developed myself while I was in college and trying to come up with a systematic way to figure out where to aim.

Basically, if you are looking at the CB to OB from behind the CB. There are two interesting points, one is the center of the OB in relationship to the CB. The other is the contact point (CP) needed to hit for to make the shot.

Mathematically using trig because both objects are round, the aim point to make the CB hit the contact point is excatly double the distance from the center of the OB to the CP. (for most distance of shots, this breaks down when the CB and OB are very close)

So what I do is aim the center of the CB to the center of the OB, then turn to aim the center of the CB to the contact point, then aim that much farther out again.

Another way you can do it is when you are sighting down the cuestick and line up the center to center aim line. Then look for the contact point on the OB and see where it lines up on your tip. i.e. 10 o'clock. Then turn and aim to where the contact point is at the opposite point, or 2 o'clock in this case. One AZBer said that he has tick marks on his ferrule for this. (FrankinCali maybe)

This simplified version does not allow for squirt or swerve.

Also, I used to aim directly under my dominant eye and I'm not sure if this system will work if you are not. I think it will but I'm not sure.

For squirt you'll need to experiment because all cues, cloths and strokes are different. But for me a rough guideline is:

Cutting with outside english. Aim further outside. The more english you use, the furtherr outside you aim. I keep the aim line close and adjust my bridge hand and back hand slightly but keep my body aligned with the aim line. (See the Joe T videos posted yesterday).

For inside english shots, I do the same with regard to body alignment and adjusting the backhand and bridge hand slightly. Aiming the cue stick at the contact point will get you close. (or at least put your errors on the correct side) Most shots you will make doing that but you'll need to experiment and learn when you will and when you won't otherwise you'll never be great at pocketing balls with english.

Accelerating through the ball seems to produce less squirt while decelerating through it seems to create more.

If you are using bottom english and sidespin, then you don't need to compensate as much because the CB will swerve back into the original path.

Also, the slower the shot the more swerve and the longer the shot the more swervve. This too will require some experimentation. I suspect you could make yourself a chart (or find one online) that tells you how much swerve to expect on a certain length, speed shot and you could try and figure it out every shot. By far the easier way to do this is to keep shooting different shots with different english and commit to remembering how the CB reacts.

This is my system and I'm sure the science guys on AZB can find about a hundred flaws in it, but it works pretty good for me.

Also, this is the double the distance system that I came up with. Others before me and since have no doubt come up with the same system and I am not familiar with any of them so I don't know what their strengths and weaknesses may be.

~rc[/QUOTE] OLD METHOD WITH LOTS OF FLAWS
 
kildegirl said:
OLD METHOD WITH LOTS OF FLAWS
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Yep. Never said it was anything other than that. A guy sent me an email and asked me about it so I sent him an email back. I thought it would prompt some discussion so I posted it here.

I'm not going to let guys, no matter how esteemed, try to claim that it's my system or that I'm saying it's a great or perfect system. It's one way to find a point to aim at. That's it.

~rc
 
kildegirl:
OLD METHOD WITH LOTS OF FLAWS

sixpack:
Yep. Never said it was anything other than that.
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But it is something other than that. "kildegirl" is Hal Houle, who never has anything positive to say about anything, so don't mind him.

The double overlap method itself has no built-in flaws; it's a "geometrically correct" method that does exactly what it's supposed to do - accurately describes how the CB and OB should be aligned at the moment of contact so the CB will contact a predetermined OB contact point.

The "flaws" are in the shooter's execution of the system:

- choosing the correct OB contact point for the shot

- accurately centering the OB contact point between the CB/OB centers (or edges) at a distance

- shooting the CB accurately along the shot line defined by the system so it arrives at the OB overlapped the way you visualized it from a distance

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
But it is something other than that. "kildegirl" is Hal Houle, who never has anything positive to say about anything, so don't mind him.

The double overlap method itself has no built-in flaws; it's a "geometrically correct" method that does exactly what it's supposed to do - accurately describes how the CB and OB should be aligned at the moment of contact so the CB will contact a predetermined OB contact point.

The "flaws" are in the shooter's execution of the system:

- choosing the correct OB contact point for the shot

- accurately centering the OB contact point between the CB/OB centers (or edges) at a distance

- shooting the CB accurately along the shot line defined by the system so it arrives at the OB overlapped the way you visualized it from a distancepj
chgo
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Right! That is why it is so vital to understand that aiming methodology is only ONE component...albeit and important one...in the process of getting balls into the hole.

Even IF the shooter has command of an infallible aiming system, his/her shots don't have to go.

The Ghost Ball method...assuming the shooter knows where to place it considering CIT/SIT...is, of course, infallible...but getting the CB to, in fact, replace the Ghost Ball is "a whole nuther story."

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Jim
 
Patrick Johnson said:
But it is something other than that. "kildegirl" is Hal Houle, who never has anything positive to say about anything, so don't mind him.

The double overlap method itself has no built-in flaws; it's a "geometrically correct" method that does exactly what it's supposed to do - accurately describes how the CB and OB should be aligned at the moment of contact so the CB will contact a predetermined OB contact point.

The "flaws" are in the shooter's execution of the system:

- choosing the correct OB contact point for the shot

- accurately centering the OB contact point between the CB/OB centers (or edges) at a distance

- shooting the CB accurately along the shot line defined by the system so it arrives at the OB overlapped the way you visualized it from a distance

pj
chgo
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Yep, I knew who he is.

I am also familiar with what he considers to be the 'flaws' of the system.

I just don't want to be pulled into defending myself for plagarism or defending the system itself.

Thanks for helping out.

~rc
 
Jeff, your wish is my command. My first effort. That's the set up. Just remove balls 1 and 2 leaving the 3 ball which is a fairly sporty shot.
(-:

PS: Ok, as mentioned earlier, there is a functional limit to that system...I'm still messing with it but with the CB 8-9 ball widths from the rail...out toward center table on the head string, 2 chalk widths are necessary to located the NCP.

Beyond that, the center of the CB points off the OB...HOWEVER...with MY EYES...here's what I do.

When using the top center aiming method looks too thick...and its easy (for me) to tell, then for a cut to the LEFT, just aim the LEFT edge of the cue tip to the RIGHT edge of the OB...no overlapping onto the ball and no gap between the cb/ob.

That works all the way to a BACK cut with the cb 1 ball width to the right of the front left corner of the break box. A thinner cut than that requires A) a half tip gap if you see it is REALLY thin but POSSIBLE to over cut.

If you see it as impossible to over cut, then the gap goes to a full tip width. Using that method, I can set an OB on the short rail 1 diamond from, say, the right corner and 1/4 in. off the rail and put the CB at the front left corner of the break box and make the shot routinely.

If I move the OB to a diamond and a half left of the right corner...still a 1/4 in. off the rail, it is SO thin that you have to use 3 1/2 table length CB roll speed to move the OB into the pocket.

So, it's a sporty safety to use half that speed...move the OB a half diamond right along the rail and leave the CB pretty far up table.

But on the shot described in my famous first WEI diagram, the 1 chalk NCP is WICKED out to 7 ball widths from the right rail and sporty as hell with 2 chalk widths out to 8 and 9 ball widths.

It's late but I gotta be 90%+ out to 7 balls...70% at 8 and 9 and 50-60 all the way to fan thin.

Again,,,my eyes...my subconscious adjustments...so I may be the only living person that can make any use of this....but it makes ME happy as hell....and when SCOTT LEE comes over to give me my next lesson WITH THE TWO HUNDRED DOLLAR DISCOUNT FOR WINNING OUR BET...there will be a credible human being who can report on all this.

And Scott...I'll have a "spot shot" contest with you with the OB moving from 2-7 ball widths off the rail on the head string...both sides...so that's 12 shots per inning for double or nothing!!!!!!

But WAIT...THERE's MORE...You also get Pamela's famous Lasagna FREE!!!!!!

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Okay. Thanks for the image. My brain is fried trying to figure out the other shots though. I'm going to respectfully give up for now.
Peace.
 
bluepepper said:
Okay. Thanks for the image. My brain is fried trying to figure out the other shots though. I'm going to respectfully give up for now.
Peace.
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Ah..but that's considered a delacacy in many countries!!

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Peace back at ya.

Jim
 
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