New Book on Natural Aim--Aim is the Game in Pool
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I can't help but mention that it greatly disappoints me too that some of the people on here feel the need to make smart remarks and critisize other's posts. This man never claimed to make anyone a pool "super star" but merely to offer tips to improve your aiming and overall quality of your game. If by chance you are already "perfect" then by all means don't waste your money on a book that might tarnish your game. Sorry to rant but smart remarks on here don't really project the image of a community of pool player friends like I was under the impression AZ was intended to be. Our community would grow considerably with a little friendlier reception of people sometimes. Just my opinion.
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I have been absent from the thread for some time due to the fact that I was apparently violating a forum rule because I hadnt read them and didnt want to inflame the owners of the website.
Apparently Ive had a few negative comments and I see that tableman and deanoc have stood up for me if not a few others. I moved my marketing efforts elsewhere and am selling some books.
Im sorry I missed the other deleted comments apparently whoever made them didnt see fit to send them to me. I did note where they hail from. A few years ago I did play some down there while I was still working on the material. I played some in Wilmington but never New Bern. I beat a fellow from New Bern in the Carolina Open that nearly beat Johnny Archer if that is the same one.
336Robin :thumbup:
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Apparently Ive had a few negative comments and I see that tableman and deanoc have stood up for me if not a few others. I moved my marketing efforts elsewhere and am selling some books.
Im sorry I missed the other deleted comments apparently whoever made them didnt see fit to send them to me. I did note where they hail from. A few years ago I did play some down there while I was still working on the material. I played some in Wilmington but never New Bern. I beat a fellow from New Bern in the Carolina Open that nearly beat Johnny Archer if that is the same one.
336Robin :thumbup:
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
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Originally Posted by Renegade_56
I don't think people are giving unfavorable remarks so much as making the point that the writer is unknown, the material is not reviewed, or refered by someone that is known. As such, the book is priced high in comparison to books by well known writers covering the same subject. Personally, I hope Mr Kelly does well with his endeavor, however I believe it would be easier if he could get some well knowns to reference his materal.
Renegade,
I realize that I am an unknown and that is not going to make me very popular in the marketplace at first so I have to wait until people who do buy it come forward with some reviews.
What I can tell you is this:
My books--self published--arrived at my home on February 2nd,2011 and I went online here a posted as well as contacted some people who were interested I knew of last spring.
Its been a month or slightly more since some of them have had the material. I do know that there is a lot of material in the book and I challenge the reader in several areas to help them fix problems in there fundamentals before I ever give them the aiming advice.
This problem with fundamentals may be not be viewed by some as Aiming Advice but it is. If you are familiar with correct delivery position a term which is in the book and has to deal with alignment issues.
I spent a lot of time on the book and set it up as step method book to Natural Aiming ability.
Ive learned a lot about people during the selling of this book and about players as well. There are those who cannot be helped because they dont want it so we are left with those that do. I noted early on that the CTE rage had gripped the forums and was the thing most talked about as I was writing this book. What impressed me about the CTE thing was not that it worked or not but that to me it seemed fairly complicated and I myself felt that someone, somewhere needed to represent the other half of the picture.
How many great players over time were not CTE players? A lot of them I would bet and that is the way I want to learn my game and I set out to capture that part of the game and I think Ive made a really good start on it as I have been determined. Im sure there will be a few tweaks to this and that as time goes by and revisions are made but I find that its pretty complete. Maybe someone will review the material and step forward and give a review. Ive been waiting myself but I know the content is pretty demanding if you have some bad habits in your game. Its $23.50 plus $5.00 for shipping and to this date I havent gotten any replies that said this book wasnt worth it. I do have one review that came in from overseas that said I could use it but he told me he tried to stay undercover and didnt want me to use his name and I agreed.
So what would I prove by posting this review without a name on it? Probably nothing because no one would believe it so I havent. I just know I got it and have the good feeling knowing I helped someone who was already an accomplished player. I realize that there have been a lot of people selling this and that on these forums and I think that alone has hurt sales of my book a lot. There have been thousands of views and posts concerning cte on here.
My point is this: Perhaps there is a better way.
One that does not require tech support to be able to understand it.
If that is not worth $28.50 I guess folks will just have to wait for a review, meantime Im selling books in other places and hopefully helping people understand with simplicity a game that shouldnt be made so complicated.
I will say this though, back when I was learning if someone had a book on Real Aim its worth to me then would have been a whole lot more than that and these other Aim Guys before me have charged a whole lot more and I have no idea what they have delivered but it seems to take a whole lot of help to understand it. You wont have any problem with mine.
336Robin :thumbup:
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Robin Kelly
Originally Posted by Renegade_56
I don't think people are giving unfavorable remarks so much as making the point that the writer is unknown, the material is not reviewed, or refered by someone that is known. As such, the book is priced high in comparison to books by well known writers covering the same subject. Personally, I hope Mr Kelly does well with his endeavor, however I believe it would be easier if he could get some well knowns to reference his materal.
Renegade,
I realize that I am an unknown and that is not going to make me very popular in the marketplace at first so I have to wait until people who do buy it come forward with some reviews.
What I can tell you is this:
My books--self published--arrived at my home on February 2nd,2011 and I went online here a posted as well as contacted some people who were interested I knew of last spring.
Its been a month or slightly more since some of them have had the material. I do know that there is a lot of material in the book and I challenge the reader in several areas to help them fix problems in there fundamentals before I ever give them the aiming advice.
This problem with fundamentals may be not be viewed by some as Aiming Advice but it is. If you are familiar with correct delivery position a term which is in the book and has to deal with alignment issues.
I spent a lot of time on the book and set it up as step method book to Natural Aiming ability.
Ive learned a lot about people during the selling of this book and about players as well. There are those who cannot be helped because they dont want it so we are left with those that do. I noted early on that the CTE rage had gripped the forums and was the thing most talked about as I was writing this book. What impressed me about the CTE thing was not that it worked or not but that to me it seemed fairly complicated and I myself felt that someone, somewhere needed to represent the other half of the picture.
How many great players over time were not CTE players? A lot of them I would bet and that is the way I want to learn my game and I set out to capture that part of the game and I think Ive made a really good start on it as I have been determined. Im sure there will be a few tweaks to this and that as time goes by and revisions are made but I find that its pretty complete. Maybe someone will review the material and step forward and give a review. Ive been waiting myself but I know the content is pretty demanding if you have some bad habits in your game. Its $23.50 plus $5.00 for shipping and to this date I havent gotten any replies that said this book wasnt worth it. I do have one review that came in from overseas that said I could use it but he told me he tried to stay undercover and didnt want me to use his name and I agreed.
So what would I prove by posting this review without a name on it? Probably nothing because no one would believe it so I havent. I just know I got it and have the good feeling knowing I helped someone who was already an accomplished player. I realize that there have been a lot of people selling this and that on these forums and I think that alone has hurt sales of my book a lot. There have been thousands of views and posts concerning cte on here.
My point is this: Perhaps there is a better way.
One that does not require tech support to be able to understand it.
If that is not worth $28.50 I guess folks will just have to wait for a review, meantime Im selling books in other places and hopefully helping people understand with simplicity a game that shouldnt be made so complicated.
I will say this though, back when I was learning if someone had a book on Real Aim its worth to me then would have been a whole lot more than that and these other Aim Guys before me have charged a whole lot more and I have no idea what they have delivered but it seems to take a whole lot of help to understand it. You wont have any problem with mine.
336Robin :thumbup:
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Robin Kelly
I'd like to read a review posted from a known, good pool player.
A review by anyone else is worthless... ( to me )
A review by anyone else is worthless... ( to me )
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Tableman,
Thanks for the invite, I generally have a Friday night game with a friend either over in Greensboro or in Winston depending on which one isnt tied up. I do want to come play your tournament. I know one of my friends is tied up already but the other fellow might want to come. What time do I need to be there? I always have books with me if anyone is interested.
Thats a great Snooker Table youve got, someone needs that. Its a 6 x 12 awesome table, talk about a challenge, its a piece of art.
Robin
Tableman,
Thanks for the invite, I generally have a Friday night game with a friend either over in Greensboro or in Winston depending on which one isnt tied up. I do want to come play your tournament. I know one of my friends is tied up already but the other fellow might want to come. What time do I need to be there? I always have books with me if anyone is interested.
Thats a great Snooker Table youve got, someone needs that. Its a 6 x 12 awesome table, talk about a challenge, its a piece of art.
Robin
Reviews
There are two reviews posted in the Instructional Material Review section, one by Oldzilla and another by Spiderwebcomm.
336Robin
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Link to book site:
http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
There are two reviews posted in the Instructional Material Review section, one by Oldzilla and another by Spiderwebcomm.
336Robin
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Link to book site:
http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
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Oldzilla Review
Thought I would post Oldzillas review.
336Robin
////* Aim Is The Game In Pool *\\\\ - 04-09-2011, 09:02 AM
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By Robin E. Kelly
Great book to learn what to look for and how to do it !
Along with insights and methods of visualizing this book can be very helpful to one starting out or one advancing their skill level.
I never read any book to learn by. Didn't have much back then, so I learned myself with my natural talents. Robin seen a thread I posted about natural talent and we had a nice chat via PM's in the forum. Then he sent me his book to read a while back so I need to get this posted so others know we have a great forum member who has a great product.
Add to this review or get Robin's book for reading ! ttyl,Zilla
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////* Aim Is The Game In Pool *\\\\ - 04-09-2011, 09:02 AM
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By Robin E. Kelly
Great book to learn what to look for and how to do it !
Along with insights and methods of visualizing this book can be very helpful to one starting out or one advancing their skill level.
I never read any book to learn by. Didn't have much back then, so I learned myself with my natural talents. Robin seen a thread I posted about natural talent and we had a nice chat via PM's in the forum. Then he sent me his book to read a while back so I need to get this posted so others know we have a great forum member who has a great product.
Add to this review or get Robin's book for reading ! ttyl,Zilla
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Great New Action - Great New Pre-Sale Pricing.
(U.S. only)
Please remember that these items are not in the store yet - to order please call us at 1-800-828-0397 or email accustats@accu-stats.com
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Mr Kelly, I'm sorry people read what they want to. I never said anything negative about your book, or your credentials for writing a book. People posted concern over the price of your book, as opposed to some written by well known established writers, presumably on the same subject matter. I merely pointed out my opinion of why they may have felt that way. I understand the implications and sacrifices one is required to make to take on such an endeavor like starting a business, developing and marketing a new product, and even writing, publishing and let alone marketing a book. As I said before, I wish you well in your effort.
As far as the player from New Bern that you beat, I know who that gentleman is: have known him since he was a kid, and he is a VERY GOOD player.
As far as your book, I am going to buy it.
Reply to dsnake
Dsnake,
Thats really hard to pinpoint because what my book does is pretty much tell the story of natural aim from the beginning through to more advanced ways of looking at things through perceptive methods. So the beginner will find what he needs, the advanced player will find something new to consider, and both should walk away with a template to find shot solutions for the rest of there lives.
I hope you are curious enough to want to buy the book. I had someone recently tell a friend of mine he thought my book was overpriced and his reply echoes where the value in my book is. He said, if you get something from a book and it changes your game forever, What is it worth?
You probably own cue sticks and if youre like me some of them cost a lot. If we can justify spending a good deal of money on something that brings visual beauty to our game, then what about the game itself? I personally have several books, some of them are good books but none taught me how to aim and therefore were not so much of a help to me. It seems this piece of the puzzle stands in the way of pretty much everything quite honestly. Its the reason I took the time to write it.
I really think the book could help about anyone quite honestly. The only person that I know I probably cant help is one with testosterone blindness who is sure they can do it all themselves and couldnt use a new perspective. Thats the only guy I probably cant work with.
336Robin :thumbup:
Dsnake,
Thats really hard to pinpoint because what my book does is pretty much tell the story of natural aim from the beginning through to more advanced ways of looking at things through perceptive methods. So the beginner will find what he needs, the advanced player will find something new to consider, and both should walk away with a template to find shot solutions for the rest of there lives.
I hope you are curious enough to want to buy the book. I had someone recently tell a friend of mine he thought my book was overpriced and his reply echoes where the value in my book is. He said, if you get something from a book and it changes your game forever, What is it worth?
You probably own cue sticks and if youre like me some of them cost a lot. If we can justify spending a good deal of money on something that brings visual beauty to our game, then what about the game itself? I personally have several books, some of them are good books but none taught me how to aim and therefore were not so much of a help to me. It seems this piece of the puzzle stands in the way of pretty much everything quite honestly. Its the reason I took the time to write it.
I really think the book could help about anyone quite honestly. The only person that I know I probably cant help is one with testosterone blindness who is sure they can do it all themselves and couldnt use a new perspective. Thats the only guy I probably cant work with.
336Robin :thumbup:
Reply to Renegade
Renegade,
Im glad to see you back to comment. There are a lot of pool books out there but none of the books I own teaches you how to aim that I remember. I hold no grudges over previous comments, deleted comments etc. Some folks can be mean when they are curious about a piece of work. I really enjoyed writing the book and I tried to put in some entertainment in the book to provide breaks in the material. As in my previous reply to dsnake I try to tell the complete story of natural aim and provide some other perceptions to help complete it.
In the end aiming skill will not win you games where you place the cue ball badly all of the time but it opens the door to enabling you to not worry over the shotmaking piece so much so you can concentrate on your positional methods when in turn open up the rest of the game to you.
We all have turning points in our games and my thoughts have been able to provide my game with turning points where I keep up with some pretty good players as of late for a guy who works all the time. I feel blessed that I have been able to do that without playing any more than I am able.
I have all the respect in the world for the gentleman I played in Goldsboro from New Bern. It scared me to let him shoot. His fire power was awesome. The deciding game in the match was won due to a safety shot and some of those games as well. The match could have gone either way. I remain respectful to him and in awe of his skill and fortunate to this day.
In the end I am confident of my material and trust me no one is going to make a lot of money on pool books. I think that a lot of people have expectations of grandeur when they write a book. This is one I felt needed to be written and If I make a few friends in the process of selling it Im very happy. So to that end Im going very slow in my efforts of marketing it. I would like to see some steady movement of the books but have no plans to put it out in wholesale mass just yet.
I am always surprised at how good some of the players from North Carolina are and have been told this is a hotbed of good players. You will find North Carolina stories, pool rooms, pool tours mentioned in the book. I am proud to be a player from North Carolina. I hope you enjoy the book. I think you will be entertained and enlightened. Thankyou so much.
336Robin
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Link to book site:
http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
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Renegade,
Im glad to see you back to comment. There are a lot of pool books out there but none of the books I own teaches you how to aim that I remember. I hold no grudges over previous comments, deleted comments etc. Some folks can be mean when they are curious about a piece of work. I really enjoyed writing the book and I tried to put in some entertainment in the book to provide breaks in the material. As in my previous reply to dsnake I try to tell the complete story of natural aim and provide some other perceptions to help complete it.
In the end aiming skill will not win you games where you place the cue ball badly all of the time but it opens the door to enabling you to not worry over the shotmaking piece so much so you can concentrate on your positional methods when in turn open up the rest of the game to you.
We all have turning points in our games and my thoughts have been able to provide my game with turning points where I keep up with some pretty good players as of late for a guy who works all the time. I feel blessed that I have been able to do that without playing any more than I am able.
I have all the respect in the world for the gentleman I played in Goldsboro from New Bern. It scared me to let him shoot. His fire power was awesome. The deciding game in the match was won due to a safety shot and some of those games as well. The match could have gone either way. I remain respectful to him and in awe of his skill and fortunate to this day.
In the end I am confident of my material and trust me no one is going to make a lot of money on pool books. I think that a lot of people have expectations of grandeur when they write a book. This is one I felt needed to be written and If I make a few friends in the process of selling it Im very happy. So to that end Im going very slow in my efforts of marketing it. I would like to see some steady movement of the books but have no plans to put it out in wholesale mass just yet.
I am always surprised at how good some of the players from North Carolina are and have been told this is a hotbed of good players. You will find North Carolina stories, pool rooms, pool tours mentioned in the book. I am proud to be a player from North Carolina. I hope you enjoy the book. I think you will be entertained and enlightened. Thankyou so much.
336Robin
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Link to book site:
http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
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Price Drop for Az Purchasers
Ive decided to drop the price on the book to $20.00 and I take care of the shipping if you live in the Continental United States. You can go to my pay pal account if you live in the United States and pay me and I will send you the book.
PayPal account located at: reklc1@yahoo.com
or you can send me money order or cashiers check available at most convienience stores.
My address is:
Robin Kelly
120 Walnut Avenue
Yadkinville, NC 27055
I havent moved into the Kindle/Ebook market yet but Im sure I will eventually get there.
336Robin :thumbup:
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Or you can go to the website and read the information and then decide.
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...ums&txt=http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
Ive decided to drop the price on the book to $20.00 and I take care of the shipping if you live in the Continental United States. You can go to my pay pal account if you live in the United States and pay me and I will send you the book.
PayPal account located at: reklc1@yahoo.com
or you can send me money order or cashiers check available at most convienience stores.
My address is:
Robin Kelly
120 Walnut Avenue
Yadkinville, NC 27055
I havent moved into the Kindle/Ebook market yet but Im sure I will eventually get there.
336Robin :thumbup:
aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
Or you can go to the website and read the information and then decide.
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...ums&txt=http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
Review
Here is a Review of my book: Aim is the Game in Pool published in the September 2011 edition of Pool and Billiards magazine. They should be pretty neutral. Thought you guys might want to see it.
Our Second Robin is Robin E. Kelly, thats kind of formal sounding but the author is a pool nut-and we mean that in the best way. His love of the game comes through on every page, and that makes the book furn to read. Of course you will be reading it for instructional information, and Kelly's topic is one that drives most players crazy: How do I aim? When people talk about the fundamentals, it doesnt get any more fundamental than this. We like his use of "standard reference points," his acknowledgement of feel, and his prep routine, among other things. The actual aiming systems is called (RAM) and there are variations, such as RAM 3 and RAM 10, but its pretty straight forward.( Kelly isnt old enough to get to the Rama Lama Ding Dong Method but thats all to the good.) It should also be noted that along with and aiming system that will have you thinking before you shoot the ball, you also get a few pool stories, some encouragement and some info on positioning yourself and visual perception. Contact info(aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com)
http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
Thanks to Pool and Billiard Magazine for providing this unsolicited review for their customers.
Robin Kelly aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com :thumbup:
Here is a Review of my book: Aim is the Game in Pool published in the September 2011 edition of Pool and Billiards magazine. They should be pretty neutral. Thought you guys might want to see it.
Our Second Robin is Robin E. Kelly, thats kind of formal sounding but the author is a pool nut-and we mean that in the best way. His love of the game comes through on every page, and that makes the book furn to read. Of course you will be reading it for instructional information, and Kelly's topic is one that drives most players crazy: How do I aim? When people talk about the fundamentals, it doesnt get any more fundamental than this. We like his use of "standard reference points," his acknowledgement of feel, and his prep routine, among other things. The actual aiming systems is called (RAM) and there are variations, such as RAM 3 and RAM 10, but its pretty straight forward.( Kelly isnt old enough to get to the Rama Lama Ding Dong Method but thats all to the good.) It should also be noted that along with and aiming system that will have you thinking before you shoot the ball, you also get a few pool stories, some encouragement and some info on positioning yourself and visual perception. Contact info(aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com)
http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/
Thanks to Pool and Billiard Magazine for providing this unsolicited review for their customers.
Robin Kelly aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com :thumbup:
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