New Break/ Jump cue

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There is a new Custom cue maker making one hell of a jump break cue. It's just like my Sledge Hammer J/B cue. Exept its priced at $200. My sledge Hammer w/ a wrap cost me $350 +shipping.
They offer custom J/b's. Mine is a Flame maple w/a flat Laminated shaft. The Tip is the same as the sledge hammer. 13.5 MM shaft, 17oz. no wrap, flame maple handle, Radial pin.
Cost me $275.
Breaks "like a hammer", and jumps like a Bunjie.

Email, Bryan or Reuben Fisher at fishercues@hotmail.com
 
You should get the maker to post pics on this site- lots of toy-buyers here...

-pigi
 
I was going to leave this alone but I can't. I've been freinds with Mike Gulyassy for about 7 years. I am totally offended that you have even used his name in this post of yours. To say that your cue maker uses the same set up as Mike's Sledge hammer shows me that it is just another copy cat Cue maker that has no vision.
Nor does he have enough knowledge to at least change some thing to make it his own. This is not directed towards you other than the fact that you are using Mike's (Sledgehammer's) name in your post.
 
I know Mike - I have had to fade it with the Bunjees and the Instroke cases for years. It is part of the game. Mike G. knows that he is going to only get so much of a head start before the copycats show up.

All I can say is welcome to the club to Mike G.

One thing though for the guy advertising the cue - IF it really is just like the Sledgehammer then you should know that Mike has patented the construction of the Sledgehammer and he WILL prosecute anyone found to be in violation of that patent.

John
www.cuecaserepair.com
 
Btw, Sledgehammer does not have a "tip"'.
It has a domed ferrule.
It's a canvas phenolic ferrule and has a patent request by MG.
I don't know if the patent has been approved.
 
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Joseph Cues said:
Btw, Sledgehammer does not have a "tip"'.
It has a domed ferrule.
It's a canvas phenolic ferrule and has a patent request by MG.
I don't know if the patent has been approved.
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The Sledgehammer has a brown domed ferrule ? I don't know about the patent request because I've seen a similar design on a Oliver Stops B-J cue. They origin from the Netherlands.
Check out:
http://www.oliverstops.de/Hammer.htm
 
you would think people would come up with their own ideas instaed of trying to ride off of mikes sucess.......you know the really bad thing is ,when asked at mr.cues in atlanta some time back mike told me that he would sell the ferrules and provide instructions on how to properly install them if peiople would only take the time to call him......hes a super guy and a good player to boot......i think it really shows someones charachter to steal a idea from someone......please be original people.........juston coleman
 
wrong Idea

I'm being missunder stood, the only thing this new cue maker has really copied is the tip/ferrule combo, which he told me really couldn't be pantented because you realy can't pantent a material, which is all that is in question, and he didn't get the idea for the material from Mike, it's the same material that Lucasi, uses on there jump cue, and the same that Jumpin james uses on his. He say's that to honest, he beleives that wheather he uses a tip/ferrule combo with the material, or just the tip and uses a regular ferrule, they pretty much work the same only difference is using the material as the combo, you don't have to worry about cracking a ferrule.
 
Joseph Cues said:
I can't tell if that's canvas phenolic or not.
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Well, those Oliver Stops "'Hammers" also have the combined ferrule and tip from the same brown material, but I don't know what material it is. But it sure is hard, I've tried them and they break really hard and make a sort of a cracking sound on the impact on cueball. I've never tried Gulyassy's Sledgehammer so I can't tell if they're built the same way.
 
Re: wrong Idea

Archer fan said:
I'm being missunder stood, the only thing this new cue maker has really copied is the tip/ferrule combo, which he told me really couldn't be pantented because you realy can't pantent a material, which is all that is in question, and he didn't get the idea for the material from Mike, it's the same material that Lucasi, uses on there jump cue, and the same that Jumpin james uses on his. He say's that to honest, he beleives that wheather he uses a tip/ferrule combo with the material, or just the tip and uses a regular ferrule, they pretty much work the same only difference is using the material as the combo, you don't have to worry about cracking a ferrule.
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You can patent a NEW use for a material.
Hell, Predator's pattent is AIR, .250 hole by 5 inches.:D
 
First of all, the Oliver Stops is a German company not from Holland and second of all if you want to pay 200 for a house cue
that is cut in half and then cut again for the jump section. All the
parts involved in a Gulyassy Sledgehammer are of a much higher quality than the Oliver Stops. Birds eye maple forearm and much stronger joint pins and such and it even breaks better + the Oliver Stops has I beleive a 1 or 2 year guarantee on the ferule
and the Sledgehammer has a lifetime guarantee. You pay for what you get!!! Bullshit or the real deal!!!

Nosho
 
no-sho said:
First of all, the Oliver Stops is a German company not from Holland and second of all if you want to pay 200 for a house cue
that is cut in half and then cut again for the jump section. All the
parts involved in a Gulyassy Sledgehammer are of a much higher quality than the Oliver Stops. Birds eye maple forearm and much stronger joint pins and such and it even breaks better + the Oliver Stops has I beleive a 1 or 2 year guarantee on the ferule
and the Sledgehammer has a lifetime guarantee. You pay for what you get!!! Bullshit or the real deal!!!

Nosho
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I have to agree with you, I personally appreciate quality workmanship. But it's always a question of personal preference, some like it more expensive with quality and some like bargains. I was just referring to the (perhaps) similar ferrule structure. As I mentioned, I haven't tried the Sledgehammer so I'm not able to make any comparison between the cues. And I think you're right, Oliver Stops comes from Germany, not Holland.
 
Hello,


My name is Bryan Fisher, 1 half of Fisher Cue Repair & Sales. One of my customers told me he posted some comments on this site and I am on this site from time to time so I desided to take a look.

Well seems like there's some scuddle butting about the material being used as the tip and ferrule.

First of all the material in ? is in fact used by lucasi, jumpin james cues, and many other cue makers, and suppliers. The thing I believe that Mike did differently is he used a tip/ferrule combination "one piece". He can't copy right, or patent the material used. He may be able to patent the length of the material used like 1 inch, but that just means someone can use 1.5 inch, or .75 inch. and so on.

And yes I'm using the tip/ferrule combination on some of my jump/break cues.

Sir Joseph said something about predators shaft, and yes they do have a patent on the length of the hole drilled out of the end of a pie laminated shaft with the foam rubber tube in the end of the shaft for vibration stability. Well they can't patent the pie lam. shaft"dufrin used them first", they can patent a hole in the end of a shaft with a foam rubber plug. Which is fare different than using the same material for a tip/ferrule.

Sorry that my costumer mentioned Mikes cues, I've told him that wasn't very respectful, he used a sledge hammer happily for almost a year, and so did I for that matter. I also Won the Beilghly Cup Champion ship using a Sledge Hammer Break cue.
Check MNbilliards.com Oct. tournaments, Mens A division


Our J/b comes with a 13.5 mm shaft (standard),Stiffer taper on the shaft, 3/8 10 pin, our wrapped cues wrap do go down to the butt plate but not because of the sledgehammer, because of the extra work it does take to put on a butt sleeve,"which is the reason Mike might do this too", my other reason is because of Buddy Hall, He's my personal favorite player and he likes a longer wrap.

To those questioning the quality of our cues, well we're just starting, so our reputation isn't set in stone, and also I don't feel as though we have to charge more than $200 for our base model J/B cue. We both have other jobs, cue building is a new venture, hopefully we'll succed.

Note I have the up most respect for all cue builders, think how Rick Howard of Mace Cues felt when other people started making quility jump break cues? He was the first to build a well made, and well working jump break cue. As far as me copying his Idea well, if chevy can use a round wheel, so can ford, and so on.

Also the other day I was surfing the net and there was someone selling the tip/ferrule combination, it wasn't Mike or My self. I might be the only other cue maker anyone has mentioned that offers this, theres others.


Bryan Fisher fisher_bryan@hotmail.com
Fisher Cue Repair & Sales fishercues@hotmail.com
 
If it ain't a Sledgehammer, it ain't a Sledgehammer. You can find knockoffs of everything ever made. Mike is a great guy with a great product. You have no idea what kind of guy the other maker is except he uses other peoples ideas and trys to undercut their prices. If that's the kind of people you want to deal with, that's your right. Go for it. Rule # 1, you get what you pay for. # 2, you get what you deserve.
Don P.
 
Donald A. Purdy
Sounds to me You need to come down off your soap box. I know a guy who makes a soap box just like yours at half the price.
 
Thanks for the compliment timsmcm. Flatery will get you everywhere. I don't need a box my friend. Why do you feel like you gotta get on my case. I said what I think. You don't have to make a smartass comment about it while sitting behind your key board. If you don't have something to add to the thread, why don't you keep your mouth shut. Stick to the thread.
Don P.
 
Rick Howard was not the first cuemaker to make a "good" jump break cue. Joe Piccone was doing them well before Rick and selling all he could make. But neither Rick's or Joe's cues had the jumpability of either the Bunjee or the Sledgehammer.

The Bunjee is based on the dimensions of Joe Piccone's jump/break cues. I am sure Mike's are based on whatever Mike, a world class player, feels works best.

The fact remains that Mike was the first to market the particular construction that makes up the Sledgehammer and there are a lot of cuemakers jumping on that bandwagon now. Just like every one who thinks they can glue some wood pieces together has something better than Predator, everyone who can glue a piece of phenolic on the end of a shaft thinks they have the best jump/break cue ever.

The truth is that a really good break shot or a really good jump shot comes from talent and skill. The cue can enhance that skill but it does not take the shot.

So with that in mind we are left with the question that if there weren't anything to Mike's design then there wouldn't be copies - would there?

John
 
And Oliver Stops is one of the worst copycat crooks out there. I have NO DOUBT that his Hammer cue is a ripoff that was created in response to the influx of Sledgehammers in Germany.
 
instroke said:
And Oliver Stops is one of the worst copycat crooks out there. I have NO DOUBT that his Hammer cue is a ripoff that was created in response to the influx of Sledgehammers in Germany.
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Hell, they even call it Hammer.:D
Oh, remember those OSO cues?
Made of aluminum or some bowling ball material kaka.:p
 
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