New Cynergy shaft....

If they get any smaller in diameter I wonder if my carbon arrows could be adapted to work. They’re 29 inches long and spined for a 70 pound bow but probably only measure somewhere in the 6 mm range .. not sure. All carbon and a dozen shafts for under $200. 100% pro taper 🙂
 
Off the top of my head, I only know 2 people that would want a shaft that thin. One isn't me but if it was a Revo I'd probably try it lol. Wasn't a cynergy fan
 
Woodshaft said:
This shaft wasn't designed for American pool. Snooker, English 8-ball etc.
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Most of those players use shafts(usually ash) even smaller, in the 8.5 to 9.5mm range. A lot of Chinese 8b players like 10.5 for some reason. Some pool players love these small shafts. With wood they'd be to whippy unless super-conical. CF changes the game on small shafts.
 
garczar said:
Most of those players use shafts(usually ash) even smaller, in the 8.5 to 9.5mm range. A lot of Chinese 8b players like 10.5 for some reason. Some pool players love these small shafts. With wood they'd be to whippy unless super-conical. CF changes the game on small shafts.
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Because the CB is smaller is why they use smaller diameter tips.

Try playing with a 13mm tip on that tiny rock and you’ll quickly figure it out. It’s too big to get much juice on the rock.

Come down 3mm and you can juice up the ball real good.

Different balls specs, different shaft/tip specs.

Not a big deal,

Best
Fatboy
 
Fatboy said:
Because the CB is smaller is why they use smaller diameter tips.

Try playing with a 13mm tip on that tiny rock and you’ll quickly figure it out. It’s too big to get much juice on the rock.
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You can get the same amount of spin with either size tip on either ball.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You can get the same amount of spin with either size tip on either ball.

pj
chgo
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Some players can, John Morra can, I watched him do it with English snooker balls. However even he noted that the Parris snooker cue was much better for snooker than a pool cue.

I don’t have his stroke-seriously I don’t. And for me I can’t get as much on the white in snooker with my Boar than a proper snooker cue.

Same goes for pool balls, if I play pool with my snooker ball and I need to juice it up work top or bottom I can’t get as much on the ball. Pure side spin maybe. But that conical ash taper snooker cue I can’t draw the CB in pool with as much as a proper pool cue.

Same with a 3C cue, I tried that on a snooker table once. I couldn’t draw the ball at all,

For me, I get the best results with the cues that are made for their intended cue sport. I can get action with any cue on any CB. But usually not as much or as reliable or precise as the correct cue for their respective discipline.

I’m not a champion either. Maybe that’s why?

Melling was having problems on a pool table with his 15oz snooker cue that’s probably 53-54” inches long. I just watched that match.

Best
Fatboy<——-old bit open minded
 
Fatboy said:
Some players can, John Morra can, I watched him do it with English snooker balls. However even he noted that the Parris snooker cue was much better for snooker than a pool cue.

I don’t have his stroke-seriously I don’t. And for me I can’t get as much on the white in snooker with my Boar than a proper snooker cue.

Same goes for pool balls, if I play pool with my snooker ball and I need to juice it up work top or bottom I can’t get as much on the ball. Pure side spin maybe. But that conical ash taper snooker cue I can’t draw the CB in pool with as much as a proper pool cue.

Same with a 3C cue, I tried that on a snooker table once. I couldn’t draw the ball at all,

For me, I get the best results with the cues that are made for their intended cue sport. I can get action with any cue on any CB. But usually not as much or as reliable or precise as the correct cue for their respective discipline.

I’m not a champion either. Maybe that’s why?

Melling was having problems on a pool table with his 15oz snooker cue that’s probably 53-54” inches long. I just watched that match.

Best
Fatboy<——-old bit open minded
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There's no physical reason for a difference, but as we know, familiarity and confidence are important.

pj
chgo
 
gregnice37 said:
Off the top of my head, I only know 2 people that would want a shaft that thin. One isn't me but if it was a Revo I'd probably try it lol. Wasn't a cynergy fan
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I play league with a woman who uses a maple shaft turned down to about 9.5 mm. Looks like a damn pencil eraser :)
 
Patrick Johnson said:
No arguing... just this comment for the peanut gallery:

Assuming the same curvature, a 10mm tip is identical to a 12mm tip with the outside 1mm removed. That outside 1mm is only in play when using maximum side - maybe not even then depending on how flat the tip is.

Of course confidence is a critical factor, so play with what you trust...

pj
chgo
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You’ve made a critical error. The tip curvature is different. That’s the problem with your thought process. It doesn’t matter what the diameter of a tip is, there is a direct relation to the radius of which the tip needs to be. A smaller shaft needs a more curved tip to achieve hitting the same spot of the cue ball as a flatter, and fatter shaft does.

The problem with shaft size as you’re trying to argue is that people will use the outside of the shaft as the relation point for aim. That means 2.5mm difference in contact point. When 3mm is the contact size for a normal shot, that .5mm left inside of the miscue limit doesn’t do much.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
You’ve made a critical error. The tip curvature is different. That’s the problem with your thought process. It doesn’t matter what the diameter of a tip is, there is a direct relation to the radius of which the tip needs to be. A smaller shaft needs a more curved tip to achieve hitting the same spot of the cue ball as a flatter, and fatter shaft does.

The problem with shaft size as you’re trying to argue is that people will use the outside of the shaft as the relation point for aim. That means 2.5mm difference in contact point. When 3mm is the contact size for a normal shot, that .5mm left inside of the miscue limit doesn’t do much.
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You've misunderstood me. Maybe this will help:

Tip curvatures aren't necessarily different for different tip sizes. That's why I "assumed" the same curvature for discussion. Any shaft, large or small, just "needs" a tip curved enough to provide 60° of total arc across its width (same as the CB's miscue limit). Smaller tips need more curvature to do that (a dime shape is usually curvy enough), but larger tips can also have dime shapes.

Everybody doesn't visualize their tip offset the same way. Some use the shaft edges, some use the shaft's center, some use fractions of the shaft, and some (like me) actually see where the tip contacts the CB (different places on the tip for different amounts of offset).

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
You've misunderstood me. Maybe this will help:

Tip curvatures aren't necessarily different for different tip sizes. That's why I "assumed" the same curvature for discussion. Any shaft, large or small, just "needs" a tip curved enough to provide 60° of total arc across its width (same as the CB's miscue limit). Smaller tips need more curvature to do that (a dime shape is usually curvy enough), but larger tips can also have dime shapes.

Everybody doesn't visualize their tip offset the same way. Some use the shaft edges, some use the shaft's center, some use fractions of the shaft, and some (like me) actually see where the tip contacts the CB (different places on the tip for different amounts of offset).

pj
chgo
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I don’t think I misunderstood you at all. I may have just not been proper enough in my explanation. The curvature of the tip for a 14mm tip is a large enough arc radius that when put onto a 10.5mm tip it won’t be effective. When all comparisons are made to fall within the assumption that arc and hardness match, there should be no discernible difference. A 14mm with a proper tip curve should have no difference in hitting the miscue limit than a 9mm tip with the proper curve would.

The problem with people who miscue a lot when switching to a smaller diameter of shaft is that the way they aim isn’t set to the cue ball, but rather the shaft. If I use the outside of my shaft to judge where I’m aiming. Pick up a 14mm shaft and find the miscue limit. As soon as I switch to anything smaller, my 3mm tip contact has now diminished. That leads to a direct increase in miscues. Now use the inside of shaft. My 3mm tip contact area doesn’t change no matter what size shaft I use. Not saying one way or the other is better. But when you introduce an improper tip curvature to the equation, miscues increase alongside the built in aiming habits.

Just the smallest of differences in diameters, and your personal built in bridge height can lead to miscues if your aiming anywhere but the inside of the shaft. And maybe I should clarify that inside of shaft, means towards the center of the cue ball. Inside/outside of the miscue limit circle.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
The curvature of the tip for a 14mm tip is a large enough arc radius that when put onto a 10.5mm tip it won’t be effective.
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Not necessarily. A dime curvature "fits" on a 9mm tip and on a 14mm tip - the 14mm tip doesn't need that much curvature but it works fine with it.

If you "measure" your tip offsets by where you point the center of the cue/tip, then any tip width with the same curvature works the same.

pj
chgo
 
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Grimper said:
Just got mine in the mail today. Haven't shot with it yet :)
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How do you like it?

Anyone playing with the Cynergy 10.5? Thoughts?

I'm interested in giving it a try, but $400 is a lot to spend on a flyer. I'm enjoying my 11.8 for now. I'd be using it for pool as I don't really have regular access to snooker or Chinese 8ball or any of these other games where the players seem to like smaller shafts.
 
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