New opinion on potential table purchase

[New2pool89]

Hello! I’m new here and new to billiards too but I enjoy it and am looking at a 1972 Brunswick Wellington CI-1 tournament table with ball return. I have attached pics. Can anyone help me with what it’s worth? I want to buy it but have no idea what to offer. Any help is much appreciated!
Update he wants $2,500 for it.

 

[measureman]

Scroll to the bottom and it gives prices when new.

Table - 1976 | Brunswick Billiards

 

[bbb]

i could be way off but if a decent gold crown 1 or 2 goes for around 1k
i would think $500 would be fair
as i said
this is really a guess
you may want to ask in the "Talk to a mechanic" forum

 

[New2pool89]

Thanks. Wow. That’s like $6k in todays money but that would be new so I don’t know how to adjust it for being used.

Scroll to the bottom and it gives prices when new.

Table - 1976 | Brunswick Billiards

 

[Texas Carom Club]

its not worth too much even though looks great shape, im pretty sure it has particle board in it.
i wouldnt buy it but for a beginner as you say you are itll be fine. i wouldnt pay more than 500 for it if i were you though.

 

[New2pool89]

its not worth too much even though looks great shape, im pretty sure it has particle board in it.
i wouldnt buy it but for a beginner as you say you are itll be fine. i wouldnt pay more than 500 for it if i were you though

its not worth too much even though looks great shape, im pretty sure it has particle board in it.
i wouldnt buy it but for a beginner as you say you are itll be fine. i wouldnt pay more than 500 for it if i were you though.

thanks. He wants $2,500 which brought me here

 

[Texas Carom Club]

yeah no you can get a 9ft brunswick goldcrown for that amount which is one of the most sought after tables around and best playing

 

[Logandgriff]

Way too much for that table. I would not want that table at any price.

 

[fastone371]

Hello! I’m new here and new to billiards too but I enjoy it and am looking at a 1972 Brunswick Wellington CI-1 tournament table with ball return. I have attached pics. Can anyone help me with what it’s worth? I want to buy it but have no idea what to offer. Any help is much appreciated!
Update he wants $2,500 for it.

That is way too much for that table, maybe I could see paying as much as $1500 because its in such nice condition but that would be absolute tops. If that table has pressboard or particle board its likely that when disassembled and reassembled you will have many holes that no longer hold screws tight. For that price range you are much better off looking for a Brunswick Gold Crown which is a high end commercial table, you should be able to find one for $1500-$2500, less if you find a deal. My Gold Crown is over 50 years old and still looks like new.

 

[SKILLZELITE]

For that price youre 500 away from a
Gold Crown 3.
I wouldnt go above 700 tops for that table.

 

[MitchAlsup]

If you have (can get) access, crawl up under it and see if you see particle board anywhere.
Particle board anywhere reduces its value by at least 50%.

 

[hang-the-9]

$2,500 for that table would be probably from a dealer including delivery and installation. That much gets you a GC in very good shape, you can find one from a pool hall for like $1,000 that costs another $500 to setup very nicely with new cloth.

 

[buckshotshoey]

yeah no you can get a 9ft brunswick goldcrown for that amount which is one of the most sought after tables around and best playing

Most definitely. If it is the most sought after, how is it you can get one for $1000? The best price I could get, after a long search, was double that.

 

[New2pool89]

its not worth too much even though looks great shape, im pretty sure it has particle board in it.
i wouldnt buy it but for a beginner as you say you are itll be fine. i wouldnt pay more than 500 for it if i were you though

its not worth too much even though looks great shape, im pretty sure it has particle board in it.
i wouldnt buy it but for a beginner as you say you are itll be fine. i wouldnt pay more than 500 for it if i were you though.

thanks. He wants $2,500 which brought me here

If you have (can get) access, crawl up under it and see if you see particle board anywhere.
Particle board anywhere reduces its value by at least 50%.

Here’s a pic from underneath but I can’t tell if it’s particle board. Can you?

 

[buckshotshoey]

Here’s a pic from underneath but I can’t tell if it’s particle board. Can you?

They are referring to the slate backer board. But If the rails are particle board, RUN!

But I don't think Brunswick did that. I don't recall if the did or didn't.

If the rails, frame, an legs are hardwood, it will play fine. Getting the right person to install it is crucial.

You said it was a "tournament" table? I assume It is a 9 foot (50x100 playing surface)?

 

[MitchAlsup]

Here’s a pic from underneath but I can’t tell if it’s particle board. Can you?

That picture certainly says it is not hardwood through and through; this lowers its maximum value by at least 30%.
What I was hoping for was a photo of the inner side supports and possible the slate framing planks.

They are referring to the slate backer board. But If the rails are particle board, RUN!

Or the slate framing planks (where the cloth stapes go in); Run.

Let's face it, $2,500 is way out of line with its value.

 

[buckshotshoey]

That picture certainly says it is not hardwood through and through; this lowers its maximum value by at least 30%.
What I was hoping for was a photo of the inner side supports and possible the slate framing planks.



Or the slate framing planks (where the cloth stapes go in); Run.

Let's face it, $2,500 is way out of line with its value.

Won't argue that one. Didnt see his update on original post. $2500 will get you a Gold Crown. Even if it's a FrankenCrown, he would be better off. But if he could get this for under $1000, it wouldn't be a bad table to bang around on.

When did Brunswick, and what models, did they use particle board framing planks?

 

[New2pool89]

They are referring to the slate backer board. But If the rails are particle board, RUN!

But I don't think Brunswick did that. I don't recall if the did or didn't.

If the rails, frame, an legs are hardwood, it will play fine. Getting the right person to install it is crucial.

You said it was a "tournament" table? I assume It is a 9 foot (50x100 playing surface)?

Yes he said 9’ but I haven’t measured it yet.

 

[New2pool89]

Thanks to everyone for all your input. I’ve learned a lot already. Local table mover wanted $1,595 for move and setup on top of the $2,500 that was already stretching my budget so I need to keep looking I think.

 

[buckshotshoey]

What's a little odd to me is the Wellingtons I've seen all had 4, square pillar type legs.