I just spoke to my friend who has a couple of auctions on e-bay. He has a just finished reconditioned cue that he listed as "used" even though it has been totally redone by the maker to as new condition and never screwed together to test hit. Another seller has a 4 yr old cue with "a couple of test hits" he is listing as new. Are both listed correctly? Let me know your thoughts,please.
New or Used?
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Use Brown Chalk!
If I were buying a custom cue I would not want it unless it was test hit by the maker To assure that it plays and hits up to his exspectations. You don't play pool without chalk so how can you test hit without it. I would never buy an exspensive cue that I could not test hit properly.
Simple hint USE BROWN CHALK.
If it is a production cue you are talking about I try to shape, chalk and test hit every cue before I ship it. WHY? because in my many years of working the booth at the Vegas tournaments when volumn of sales did not allow that, I have often times seen people return with the tip in hand still shellacked over and not shape. DUH?? If I do it for them before I ship, that possible problem is eliminated. NO SILLY NO CHALK RULES HERE!! Just keep it on the tip only and off the ferrule.
Your buddy's cue should be listed as recondition to like new, That's what it is. IMO the other cue is not used just because it has been test hit properly as long as it is not soiled by sloppiness.
If I were buying a custom cue I would not want it unless it was test hit by the maker To assure that it plays and hits up to his exspectations. You don't play pool without chalk so how can you test hit without it. I would never buy an exspensive cue that I could not test hit properly.
Simple hint USE BROWN CHALK.
If it is a production cue you are talking about I try to shape, chalk and test hit every cue before I ship it. WHY? because in my many years of working the booth at the Vegas tournaments when volumn of sales did not allow that, I have often times seen people return with the tip in hand still shellacked over and not shape. DUH?? If I do it for them before I ship, that possible problem is eliminated. NO SILLY NO CHALK RULES HERE!! Just keep it on the tip only and off the ferrule.
Your buddy's cue should be listed as recondition to like new, That's what it is. IMO the other cue is not used just because it has been test hit properly as long as it is not soiled by sloppiness.
Would you give someone a full refund for a cue after they had chalked it? And if so, would you resell that cue as new or used? Most businesses that sell cues will tell you- after you chalk it, no returns. Just curious what your take is on this.rackem said:If I were buying a custom cue I would not want it unless it was test hit by the maker To assure that it plays and hits up to his exspectations. You don't play pool without chalk so how can you test hit without it. I would never buy an exspensive cue that I could not test hit properly.
Simple hint USE BROWN CHALK.
If it is a production cue you are talking about I try to shape, chalk and test hit every cue before I ship it. WHY? because in my many years of working the booth at the Vegas tournaments when volumn of sales did not allow that, I have often times seen people return with the tip in hand still shellacked over and not shape. DUH?? If I do it for them before I ship, that possible problem is eliminated. NO SILLY NO CHALK RULES HERE!! Just keep it on the tip only and off the ferrule.
Your buddy's cue should be listed as recondition to like new, That's what it is. IMO the other cue is not used just because it has been test hit properly as long as it is not soiled by sloppiness.
JMHO- If you test hit the cue, it is used. Most of the time you see test hit only, that is a bunch of B.S. Do you think the person who waited 7 years for a S.W. cue only test hit it 3, or 4 hits? Yet how many auctions on E-bay do you see for this cue, that is made anywhere from this year, to 8, or 9 years ago advertised as test hit only. If I use a cue for an hour, or more, I can call it test hit only right. In actuality, it is used, it may look LIKE NEW, when i'm done, but it's still used. I'm sure there are collectors out there that only test hit cues, but i bellieve they are in the minority.
I disagree
I disagree with you. If you test hit an unchalked cue, I do not believe
it makes it used, and most will only let you do that about 2 minutes, not
an hour, and besides, if you are buying the cue, it is only to see if the
feel and balance feel good to you, not whether you can draw the cue
2 table lengths with it. During these few hits you do with it, you hit center
ball, not with english, then if everything seems okay, you finish paying the man, chalk the cue and play with it. People test drive new cars all the time,
and they sell as new not used, BUT you do not change the appearance of the product in doing so. You can saw a broom handle off and hit a cue ball with it with no chalk. When I speak of unchalked cues, I am refer to a custom cue or one of a kind cue make by a cuemaker, not a production cue.
Rodney said:
I disagree with you. If you test hit an unchalked cue, I do not believe
it makes it used, and most will only let you do that about 2 minutes, not
an hour, and besides, if you are buying the cue, it is only to see if the
feel and balance feel good to you, not whether you can draw the cue
2 table lengths with it. During these few hits you do with it, you hit center
ball, not with english, then if everything seems okay, you finish paying the man, chalk the cue and play with it. People test drive new cars all the time,
and they sell as new not used, BUT you do not change the appearance of the product in doing so. You can saw a broom handle off and hit a cue ball with it with no chalk. When I speak of unchalked cues, I am refer to a custom cue or one of a kind cue make by a cuemaker, not a production cue.
Snapshot9 said:
I should have been more specific. I was referring to a cue that has already been purchased. I agree, for the most part about what you stated in this post.
Coincidently, i make, and sell a few cues a year, and i chalk, test hit, and clean them before they leave my possesion. I don't consider it used until the customer uses it. If my customer is unhappy at that time, used or not, i will take the cue back, and rectify the situation any way possible.
I try to test play them all.
Yes, I would! Like my post says I am selling a production cue. Many of my customers know nothing about shaping and initial chalking of a cue tip. If I do it before shipping, I know it has been done properly. If I test play and take a few hard hits with it I can be more assured that the tip is properly installed and won't pop off the first time they break with it.
JLW said:
Yes, I would! Like my post says I am selling a production cue. Many of my customers know nothing about shaping and initial chalking of a cue tip. If I do it before shipping, I know it has been done properly. If I test play and take a few hard hits with it I can be more assured that the tip is properly installed and won't pop off the first time they break with it.
I think this whole buisness of chalking is just crazy....
If you had a brand new cue that was shipped with a triangle tip and the person wanted to buy it from a Billiard buisness with a moori, and the buisness put on the moori wouldnt it still be "NEW" with a moori?
If you knew that moori's sold more than other brand tips, couldnt you put moori's onto all your incoming new cues and still sell them new? It seems to me you could....
and if that is the case, then what is the big deal with chalking up the XXX tip before taking it off and putting on a moori?
My point is that if you are buying a cue that has never been previously used and can't tell if it was touched without looking at the removeable and changable tip, isnt it still new?
When you goto buy "new" clothes, do you check if someone had tried it on in a dressing room at some point?
Personallly I chalked about 5 un-chalked cues when buying my current and had no idea people were this childish about whether a cue was chalked or not...
If you dont like it, then sand off the top of the tip or put a new tip on, but the cue itself should still be considered new if it was never sold to a customer.
If you had a brand new cue that was shipped with a triangle tip and the person wanted to buy it from a Billiard buisness with a moori, and the buisness put on the moori wouldnt it still be "NEW" with a moori?
If you knew that moori's sold more than other brand tips, couldnt you put moori's onto all your incoming new cues and still sell them new? It seems to me you could....
and if that is the case, then what is the big deal with chalking up the XXX tip before taking it off and putting on a moori?
My point is that if you are buying a cue that has never been previously used and can't tell if it was touched without looking at the removeable and changable tip, isnt it still new?
When you goto buy "new" clothes, do you check if someone had tried it on in a dressing room at some point?
Personallly I chalked about 5 un-chalked cues when buying my current and had no idea people were this childish about whether a cue was chalked or not...
If you dont like it, then sand off the top of the tip or put a new tip on, but the cue itself should still be considered new if it was never sold to a customer.
JLW said:
No, I would actually probably be sending it back to my supplier. because it would probably be one I had not checked to pre-determine that there was a problem. But you know this is all sementics anyway because it never happens. if you take the time to care what you ship.
