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vapoolplayer

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well this may not be a new practice routine to all.......but to some it probably will be. the reason i' posting is for 1: i'm bored and i won't be going to play for another hour or so......LOL and 2: the other day i was doing this in practice and someone asked me what i was doing and looked bewildered when i told them....... :confused:

anyway, lately i have been taking accustat matches and espn matches (9ball) and after one of the players breaks the rack i freeze the picture and take a blank table form and record all the positions of the balls and the cue. then i record each and every shot each player makes. then when i'm practicing i set up the same situation and keep practicing it until i can all but exactly mirror what the players did. it takes some time, and on some tables what they do on tournament tables with new rails and cloth is all but impossible on a normal "pool hall" table. but in the end its a great workout (i think anyway). i was always told to watch the better players and learn from them, what better way to learn from them but to be able to shoot the shots they shoot.

also you can watch them on t.v. or video and think to yourself "oh, thats a better pattern than i would have chosen" and try to learn pattern play that way but to me its totally a different story when you actually set up the shots and shoot them the way they did.......it really opens your eyes to see what they see.

this does take some time and dedication, as it takes a while to map out an entire set of 9 ball shot by shot by damned shot..... :mad: ....LOL. thats what i use my weekend days for mostly...... :( (yes.....i have NO life)

but like i said, so far it has done wonders for me so if you have the time and dedication to do this, try it out and let me know how it works.........or if you already do this and have something to add please feel free.

thanks
 
Even just taking the layout of the table and trying to play some different position you never know that is a good idea i dont have acsess to those kind of tapes right now :(
 
Muxy said:
Even just taking the layout of the table and trying to play some different position you never know that is a good idea i dont have acsess to those kind of tapes right now :(
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once i get a good collection of these layouts together i think i'm going to do a small writeup on each.....i.e. where you want the cue to be on the next shot, where to hit the cue ball to attain it....etc etc. it may take me about a year, but i'll be more than happy to send them out to SERIOUS players on the board....as it takes TONS of time to do just one.........who knows this may even be a good instructional book idea......even though i've just opened my mouth to the entire world on the internet......so somebody will probably publish one next week.........LOLOL


thanks
 
Actually I tried doing that as well, placing the balls in the same layout and shooting the same shots as the pros. My biggest problem was that I could not tell easily which ball was which on TV.

But other than that, I think this is a GREAT idea! How to shoot a shot, where you want the CB to be next, and why.

I don't know if you have a camcorder or not, but a video would be better. I don't care about the quality of the video, it can be like a home move for all I care. But it would be great to be able to order a video of a particular match, then order a "companion video" from you which discusses each shot, how to shoot it, etc. for say just the first game of the match. Or if the first game is not a good example, say just the second game or whatever. Maybe you could map out the position of the balls on a piece of paper to go along with the video. Then it would be easier to set up.

The video would not need to be perfect. It would be fine with me if you needed to make several attempts to make a particular shot. (re-set the balls and try again.) I would think it would be best to show each shot from an angle behind the cue ball so viewers could see where the tip is hitting the cue ball.

This is the kind of stuff I need to be practicing!

BTW, I prefer tapes because I can watch a little one day, then continue from there the next day. With DVD's, I need to fast forward to where I was the previous day.

Maybe Accu-Stats would sell it for you? (Along with a disclaimer that it is not a high quality hollywood type video, but contains good helpful information.)
 
Billy_Bob said:
Actually I tried doing that as well, placing the balls in the same layout and shooting the same shots as the pros. My biggest problem was that I could not tell easily which ball was which on TV.

But other than that, I think this is a GREAT idea! How to shoot a shot, where you want the CB to be next, and why.

I don't know if you have a camcorder or not, but a video would be better. I don't care about the quality of the video, it can be like a home move for all I care. But it would be great to be able to order a video of a particular match, then order a "companion video" from you which discusses each shot, how to shoot it, etc. for say just the first game of the match. Or if the first game is not a good example, say just the second game or whatever. Maybe you could map out the position of the balls on a piece of paper to go along with the video. Then it would be easier to set up.

The video would not need to be perfect. It would be fine with me if you needed to make several attempts to make a particular shot. (re-set the balls and try again.) I would think it would be best to show each shot from an angle behind the cue ball so viewers could see where the tip is hitting the cue ball.

This is the kind of stuff I need to be practicing!

BTW, I prefer tapes because I can watch a little one day, then continue from there the next day. With DVD's, I need to fast forward to where I was the previous day.

Maybe Accu-Stats would sell it for you? (Along with a disclaimer that it is not a high quality hollywood type video, but contains good helpful information.)
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thats an idea.....i wonder why it hasn't been done??? i know that there is the capelle on 9 ball/archer vs. reyes but thats just about the only thing close to it i've seen........ok everybody shhhhh, only pms about the subject of selling something like this....this is my chance......LOLOLOL
 
vapoolplayer said:
well this may not be a new practice routine to all.......but to some it probably will be. the reason i' posting is for 1: i'm bored and i won't be going to play for another hour or so......LOL and 2: the other day i was doing this in practice and someone asked me what i was doing and looked bewildered when i told them....... :confused:

anyway, lately i have been taking accustat matches and espn matches (9ball) and after one of the players breaks the rack i freeze the picture and take a blank table form and record all the positions of the balls and the cue. then i record each and every shot each player makes. then when i'm practicing i set up the same situation and keep practicing it until i can all but exactly mirror what the players did. it takes some time, and on some tables what they do on tournament tables with new rails and cloth is all but impossible on a normal "pool hall" table. but in the end its a great workout (i think anyway). i was always told to watch the better players and learn from them, what better way to learn from them but to be able to shoot the shots they shoot.

also you can watch them on t.v. or video and think to yourself "oh, thats a better pattern than i would have chosen" and try to learn pattern play that way but to me its totally a different story when you actually set up the shots and shoot them the way they did.......it really opens your eyes to see what they see.

this does take some time and dedication, as it takes a while to map out an entire set of 9 ball shot by shot by damned shot..... :mad: ....LOL. thats what i use my weekend days for mostly...... :( (yes.....i have NO life)

but like i said, so far it has done wonders for me so if you have the time and dedication to do this, try it out and let me know how it works.........or if you already do this and have something to add please feel free.

thanks
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For those of us with no home table, I hope the tables are coin operated instead of being charged by the hour.
 
Mike Templeton said:
For those of us with no home table, I hope the tables are coin operated instead of being charged by the hour.
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unfortunately i don't have a home table either...... :( which makes playing 30+ hours a week quite expensive....but the place i play has a good deal.....so i'm not quite as broke a poolplayer as i used to be....still broke nonetheless.......
 
Actually a Jimmy Reid video "The Art of 8 Ball" does this. He breaks, then explains which set of balls he is choosing and why, then attempts to run out explaining each shot.

This is the best and most helpful video I have. It is also realistic as he does not always run out, sometimes makes position errors, etc. Then he explains what his options are. He also misses shots and switches to being the other player.

And I think I like it most because it is not "staged" showing him running out every time. Instead it shows his errors. No one is perfect and people do miss shots and make position errors. It is good to learn what to do in these situations. But he does run out many times.

Maybe the reason tapes like this have not been made is because those who can break and run out spend most of their time playing matches and would rather not share their skills with other players?

Anyway for my purposes, I would be more than happy to see a skilled (but not perfect) player showing how to make each shot. And it would be best to include the goof ups, position errors, etc. and re-setup the table from that point and try again.

If it showed another player running out the table, that would be worthless. I can see that on the pro videos. It is helpful to me to see that other players have difficulty with some shots (show errors). Then I know it is a difficult shot and something to practice.
 
Billy_Bob said:
Actually a Jimmy Reid video "The Art of 8 Ball" does this. He breaks, then explains which set of balls he is choosing and why, then attempts to run out explaining each shot.

This is the best and most helpful video I have. It is also realistic as he does not always run out, sometimes makes position errors, etc. Then he explains what his options are. He also misses shots and switches to being the other player.

And I think I like it most because it is not "staged" showing him running out every time. Instead it shows his errors. No one is perfect and people do miss shots and make position errors. It is good to learn what to do in these situations. But he does run out many times.

Maybe the reason tapes like this have not been made is because those who can break and run out spend most of their time playing matches and would rather not share their skills with other players?

Anyway for my purposes, I would be more than happy to see a skilled (but not perfect) player showing how to make each shot. And it would be best to include the goof ups, position errors, etc. and re-setup the table from that point and try again.

If it showed another player running out the table, that would be worthless. I can see that on the pro videos. It is helpful to me to see that other players have difficulty with some shots (show errors). Then I know it is a difficult shot and something to practice.
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Off the subject a little, but...Bill your videos were mailed yesterday! You should have them Saturday or Monday. I shipped them Priority and Insured them! Let me know when you get them. Best of luck!
Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Off the subject a little, but...Bill your videos were mailed yesterday! You should have them Saturday or Monday. I shipped them Priority and Insured them! Let me know when you get them. Best of luck!
Zim
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I got your email. I'll let you know when I get them. Also I'd like to thank you and everyone else here for your helpful advice. My league team came in 1st place last night for locals, so off to regionals we go!

FYI - The Videos I bought are here...
http://www.geocities.com/zimsrack/BSACAvideos.html
 
Billy_Bob said:
But it would be great to be able to order a video of a particular match, then order a "companion video" from you which discusses each shot, how to shoot it, etc.
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I believe that this is the premise of a recent Cappelle (sp?) book & video. If I recall correctly he reviewed a whole bunch of matches and selected one or two for analysis. This product might be an excellent framework for the exersize.

Dave
 
Back to the subject at hand. I like your idea alot, and actually had this idea myself but never got around to actually doing it. If you buy Capelle's book 'Play Your best 9-ball' he does exactly this. He takes about 10 unique games with a trouble spot or a certain positional shot from actual games that were played in Years past. There all Bustamante/Archer or strickland/sigel type matches. He starts with the layout after the break, then shows what shots were made and how they ran out. I think he might even have one or 2 in the where the player didnt get out, where he offers suggestions on how he could have. Its a great book and i think anyone thats into 9-ball should have it. Another idea to expand on yours. What if we had a text file data base that has table layouts for the WEI table. You could even show optional shots to get somewhere. Here's an example.

WEI table here: http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html

After the break:

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If we submitted text files like this into a data-base and had somebody checking every one to make sure it doesnt defy physics, and to make sure there are no errors. We could get a massive data base and have 100's or 1000's of different diagrams. You could easily do it with free web space too cause the text files wouldn't be more than a few kilobytes each.
 
vapoolplayer said:
unfortunately i don't have a home table either...... :( which makes playing 30+ hours a week quite expensive....but the place i play has a good deal.....so i'm not quite as broke a poolplayer as i used to be....still broke nonetheless.......
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3.50 an hour canadian at my pool hall, for juniors weeeeee 3 more years of 3.50 then 6.50 for regular prices then i wait till i am 65 then i can pay 3.50 agai nfor senior rate :P
 
Muxy said:
3.50 an hour canadian at my pool hall, for juniors weeeeee 3 more years of 3.50 then 6.50 for regular prices then i wait till i am 65 then i can pay 3.50 agai nfor senior rate :P
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i'm lucky, i get to play on gold crowns for about 30 hours a week.....and eat lunch for a little over 50 bucks a week........
 
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