New tip changes squirt?

[Paul Mon]

I believe that it does. I like my tips on the short side, the straight burnished side being between 1 and 2 MM (.04" to .08"). On my first generation 314 shaft I keep a dime radii. Recently I was given a LePro "milkdud" that I used to replace a Talisman medium-hard tip. The new tip is about 3 MM tall. I have some standard shots that I practice and I'm missing them because of extra squirt. I kind of remember this happening one other time when I installed a new tip.

BTW, the LePro "milkdud" was made by Tommy T. His formula is 3 days in the fridge soaking in whole milk and three days in a vice with a little squeeze each day. They hold chalk really well and give a nice "ringing" hit.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I believe that it does. I like my tips on the short side, the straight burnished side being between 1 and 2 MM (.04" to .08"). On my first generation 314 shaft I keep a dime radii. Recently I was given a LePro "milkdud" that I used to replace a Talisman medium-hard tip. The new tip is about 3 MM tall. I have some standard shots that I practice and I'm missing them because of extra squirt. I kind of remember this happening one other time when I installed a new tip.

BTW, the LePro "milkdud" was made by Tommy T. His formula is 3 days in the fridge soaking in whole milk and three days in a vice with a little squeeze each day. They hold chalk really well and give a nice "ringing" hit.

I can't imagine why it would be true...

pj
chgo

 

[Beware_of_Dawg]

duds are very hard generally, would the lack of compression in the tip cause additional squirt? I would tend to think no... how long have you been using it?

 

[TommyT]

I think the change in radius would contribute more to squirt than the height of the tip.

 

[Paul Mon]

duds are very hard generally, would the lack of compression in the tip cause additional squirt? I would tend to think no... how long have you been using it?

I've been using the milkdud about 3 hours. The radii of the milkdud is the same as the Talisman MH that was replaced, dime. The only apparent difference is in tip height. Which would also translate into slightly more weight.

Maybe it's all in my head. I really like the way the tip plays.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The only apparent difference is in tip height. Which would also translate into slightly more weight.

I think the relevant measure is how much weight is in the first x inches of the cue, including the tip. Let's say it's the first 6 inches. Adding 1/16" of tip means you're excluding 1/16" of wood from the measurement at the other end of the 6 inches. So unless the tip material is more dense than the wood, you should be getting less squirt with a taller tip.

I think.

pj
chgo

 

[JoeyA]

I don't know why but you might be getting less swerve and it only appears that you are getting more squirt.

Maybe you are holding your cue a little more level than before.

JoeyA

 

[jingle]

I know what you mean. I'm not sure if added squirt is the problem, but I know I can't shoot the same with a really tall tip. I always attributed it to the added tip height/cue length is just enough different that when using any english the tip is contacting the CB before you are anticipating, resulting in you not hitting the CB where you think you are. (and where you need to hit it to make the shot) Does that seem plausible to anyone else?

 

[Beware_of_Dawg]

I always attributed it to the added tip height/cue length is just enough different that when using any english the tip is contacting the CB before you are anticipating, resulting in you not hitting the CB where you think you are. Does that seem plausible to anyone else?

No. If that is/was the problem, it would have nothing to do with the tip and everything to do with flawed stroke fundementals. (past/pre perpenticular at impact?)

to eliminate this scenario as a possible cause, simply move your grip hand back a TINGE more than you normally would and see if that fixes the problem. My hunch is it won't.

JoeyA is offering a more plausable explantion with the swerve/squirt thing in my opinion.

 

[Paul Mon]

I don't know why but you might be getting less swerve and it only appears that you are getting more squirt.

Maybe you are holding your cue a little more level than before.

JoeyA

Joey,
The shot that I've noticed the difference on is a 1 rail bank. The cueball is about 14 inches from the object ball and my bridge is on the rail. Very little can change with this shot and any swerve is negligible because the distance is so small.

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[poolpro]

I have never even heard of a "milk dud". Can someone explain what this process acomplishes? How many people do this?



Just when I thought I had heard it all!:thumbup:





Jw

 

[Beware_of_Dawg]

I have never even heard of a "milk dud". Can someone explain

popularized by the players in the Philippines, ie; efren, etc...

this gist; take a elk master, triangle or like 1 piece leather tip... soak it in whole milk, buttermilk or Ive even heard of using goats milk... for a period of time remove it and put it in a vice for a period of time... repeat process until desired results. there maybe more to the actual recipe and process but thats the gist.

idea is you get the benefits of a extremely hard tip with the "grip" and playablity of a softer tip, hold chalk well, hold shape exteremly well and while they come very thin to begin with, they last.

 

[poolpro]

So, does it really work? Anyone on here swear by this? Just curious. I will stick to layered tips myself, but find this interesting.

 

[thegloworm]

When I have a new tip put on, I have my installer trim it down quite a bit.

When I have a tall tip, I do not shoot as well as I usually do. I think it is because you are still using the same bridge distance as you were with the shorter, old tip. Maybe the distance is closer than before because of the new tip height and you are not hitting the ball where you think you are.

 

[Beware_of_Dawg]

So, does it really work? Anyone on here swear by this? Just curious. I will stick to layered tips myself, but find this interesting.

Many people swear by it, emphatically.

Don't take my word for it, search button. "milk dud" or google it.

 

[JoeyA]

Is this the shot Paul?

Joey,
The shot that I've noticed the difference on is a 1 rail bank. The cueball is about 14 inches from the object ball and my bridge is on the rail. Very little can change with this shot and any swerve is negligible because the distance is so small.

CueTable Help

Is this the shot?

If so, this shot is easily made or missed depending upon what stroke you put on the cue ball. A minute difference in stroke can make you miss the shot quite easily. In addition, the complete cleanliness of the two balls or lack of has a lot to do with the amount of friction that occurs when the two balls make contact. Your cue is also jacked up since you are shooting off the rail and the amount of squerve is probably very hard to duplicate each time you shoot it.

You are attempting to use friction induced throw to make this shot and it is a difficult shot to analyze in my opinion.

JoeyA

 

[Paul Mon]

Joey,
The shot that I've noticed the difference on is a 1 rail bank. The cueball is about 14 inches from the object ball and my bridge is on the rail. Very little can change with this shot and any swerve is negligible because the distance is so small.

CueTable Help

Is this the shot?

If so, this shot is easily made or missed depending upon what stroke you put on the cue ball. A minute difference in stroke can make you miss the shot quite easily. In addition, the complete cleanliness of the two balls or lack of has a lot to do with the amount of friction that occurs when the two balls make contact. Your cue is also jacked up since you are shooting off the rail and the amount of squerve is probably very hard to duplicate each time you shoot it.

You are attempting to use friction induced throw to make this shot and it is a difficult shot to analyze in my opinion.

JoeyA

Yes Joey that is the shot except I've been using almost 1 tip of inside and a little draw. I agree with everything you've said above. When I practice this shot, which is daily. I usually miss the shot by not cutting it to the right enough and pocketing the ball in the far corner. With this new taller tip I'm cutting it too far right.

Paul

P.S. thanks for the Doug updates. Tell him I said hello. When I met him in 01 I brought him a bottle of wine. A french brand called "Fat Bastard". We both got a good laugh.