NO English shot?

[VonRhett]

This is one of my favorite stroke shots. Just pot the 1 in the side, whitey comes off the rail and makes the 9. I'm sure most of us know this shot, but my question is: do you use ANY English?

I stroke the ball very firmly at ~10:30-11:00 with extended follow through. (May need to back up the CB a little on the Wei) Last night, i played a guy who hit this shot at 12:00 and let the rail (angle of CB) provide the spin. It worked well for him, he was hitting between diamond 14 & 15!

My Wei table skills suck, so don't take the setup too literally. But it's close enough...

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[Gerry]

I don't know if Sang Lee could make that shot!. Like you said, maybe the balls were set up a little different. I'd probably do this, much higher make percentage...Gerry

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[bruin70]

what you show is impossible,,,even for sayginer.

i think you mean this,,,
and no,,,you don't need english. you can use the angle off the ob. in fact, you lose a little power in the stroke when you add english because the whole point of the shot is to force follow the cb.

 

[pete lafond]

Do you mean something like this?
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This will work. The origional post I do not see is possible.

 

[bruin70]

Do you mean something like this?
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This will work. The origional post I do not see is possible.

that one makes sense too. and once again vonrhett,,,you don't need english

 

[Bob Jewett]

that one makes sense too. and once again vonrhett,,,you don't need english

While I agree that side spin is not needed, I think most who can make the shot would use running (left) side.

As for the shot as originally presented, I'd be willing to bet that either Sayginer or Rojas could make it as drawn, but the stick would be elevated some.

 

[pete lafond]

While I agree that side spin is not needed, I think most who can make the shot would use running (left) side.

As for the shot as originally presented, I'd be willing to bet that either Sayginer or Rojas could make it as drawn, but the stick would be elevated some.

My take on it Bob is: I have difficulty figuring out how the origional could be made because of the distance the cue ball travels after contact w/OB and then traveling back. If this were a heated table then maybe it could be done but I still doubt. I think he may have been a little loose when setting up the table as he said he was not that familiar with working with the wei table.

 

[Rod]

While I agree that side spin is not needed, I think most who can make the shot would use running (left) side.

It depends on the shot line and angle available. Most will use top left as you said. In the shot Pete drew with the c/b deflecting so far off to the right using top only would be very marginal at best. At some point the c/b will just rail dribble and not go anywhere.

Rod

 

[Gerry]

Have you guys ever seen Sayginers trick shot expo?.....holy friggin crap!....is all I can say!.....Gerry

 

[pete lafond]

It depends on the shot line and angle available. Most will use top left as you said. In the shot Pete drew with the c/b deflecting so far off to the right using top only would be very marginal at best. At some point the c/b will just rail dribble and not go anywhere.

Rod

Take a look at the cue ball again and you will see left on it. In this shot, as I stated would be more realistic from the origional one as possibly do-able. This shot requires a very good stroke. Your observation about distance is correct which is why the first shot will not work. I modified the origional to show what I felt would be as exreme as you could get and still have some possibility of making it. Certainly this is not the shot of choice, more of an exhibition one.

 

[Rod]

Take a look at the cue ball again and you will see left on it. In this shot, as I stated would be more realistic from the origional one as possibly do-able. This shot requires a very good stroke. Your observation about distance is correct which is why the first shot will not work. I modified the origional to show what I felt would be as exreme as you could get and still have some possibility of making it. Certainly this is not the shot of choice, more of an exhibition one.

Yes I did see the left, I was just saying top only at some point, like your set up, unless your can manufacture a ''better angle" it won't go anywhere. I show people how to make this shot, I've shot it literally hundreds if not thousand of times and even had some extreme ones in games I've pulled off. If I was showing someone, I wouln't use your example, I'd give myself a better angle, cause it's tough from there.

Rod

 

[pete lafond]

Yes I did see the left, I was just saying top only at some point, like your set up, unless your can manufacture a ''better angle" it won't go anywhere. I show people how to make this shot, I've shot it literally hundreds if not thousand of times and even had some extreme ones in games I've pulled off. If I was showing someone, I wouln't use your example, I'd give myself a better angle, cause it's tough from there.

Rod

I understand Rod. Thanks. I guess I was showing what I believe is about the maximum point where this would work. Clearly I should have posted the ideal point.

 

[VonRhett]

While I agree that side spin is not needed, I think most who can make the shot would use running (left) side.

As for the shot as originally presented, I'd be willing to bet that either Sayginer or Rojas could make it as drawn, but the stick would be elevated some.

Thanks Bob & Pete for your replies. "The shot" that i was originally referring to is somewhere in between what I original drew, and Pete's response. I'll go down to Action Bob's tonight and work on it - his pockets are more forgiving than CB's and his "blue" felt is the nuts.
Thanks again!