One Pocket break

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This got lost in a post somewhere, and I was hopeing to get a reply or two...recently I've seen a guy use this break and get great results...

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Skimming the cue ball off the fourth with right english to hit the fifth, stay near the opponents pocket, and push the balls towards yours. I've also heard of hitting similarly between first and second and second and third.

Last night I hit between second and third with a lot of right and somewhat firmly...made a ball and ran 3 from there...is it foolish to be so aggressive with the break?

Any thoughts/opinions? Grady? :)
 
The most common 1-Pocket break shot is to hit between the first and second ball with some top inside english. The CB should end up on the side rail about 2 diamonds up from the end rail. OB's will move toward your pocket and one ball may go in your pocket... Works for me..... :)

You can practice this followed by the break escape shot without an opponent, but it gets boring IMO.

Troy
jack said:
This got lost in a post somewhere, and I was hopeing to get a reply or two...recently I've seen a guy use this break and get great results...

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Skimming the cue ball off the fourth with right english to hit the fifth, stay near the opponents pocket, and push the balls towards yours. I've also heard of hitting similarly between first and second and second and third.

Last night I hit between second and third with a lot of right and somewhat firmly...made a ball and ran 3 from there...is it foolish to be so aggressive with the break?

Any thoughts/opinions? Grady? :)
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jack said:
This got lost in a post somewhere, and I was hopeing to get a reply or two...recently I've seen a guy use this break and get great results...

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[ go here once copying this to clipboard and click paste: http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html ]

Skimming the cue ball off the fourth with right english to hit the fifth, stay near the opponents pocket, and push the balls towards yours. I've also heard of hitting similarly between first and second and second and third.

Last night I hit between second and third with a lot of right and somewhat firmly...made a ball and ran 3 from there...is it foolish to be so aggressive with the break?

Any thoughts/opinions? Grady? :)
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I wish that all of my opponents would break this way. I would almost always have a good way to turn it around.
 
Didn't look too easy from the ball spread I'd see him get, and the position of the cue...
Would you mind diagramming how you like to break longhair?
thanks!
 
jack said:
This got lost in a post somewhere, and I was hopeing to get a reply or two...recently I've seen a guy use this break and get great results...

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this is my one pocket brake, i use a soft - med. stroke. The cue ball usually dies on the rack kicking a couple of balls toward my pocket and leaving no shot for my opponent.
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ahh, nice...i've seen that break before...it definitely doesn't leave them much, and does push some balls to your pocket.....why don't i see more people do this? too defensive?
 
Rocky,
Not to antagonize you, but I think that that break is viewed as bit of a 'sucker's' break. No pro uses it regularly...

All,

How close to the side rail do you put the cue? Most I've read says 3 to 4", but I certainly have plenty of videos where top players are .5" away.

-pigo
 
hey piglit...i've gotten that reaction too when i've done it...i guess there are better alternatives?

whenever i break for 1st&2nd i'm usually an inch, maybe less, away...seems to feel better on the angle, and like you said, looks like the pros agree..

anyone have any clips of one pocket breaks or even matches?
 
piglit said:
Rocky,
Not to antagonize you, but I think that that break is viewed as bit of a 'sucker's' break. No pro uses it regularly...

All,

How close to the side rail do you put the cue? Most I've read says 3 to 4", but I certainly have plenty of videos where top players are .5" away.

-pigo
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I think it depends on the playing conditions...the slicker the table, the further away from the rail u should be. Probably why u see a lot of the pros doing that, because they are playing on new cloth at most events.

If someone is comfortable hitting the head ball, more power to them. It is a safe break, but it does not put the incoming player in a bad spot. Having the break, you should break in a way that could inflict the most damage, otherwise it's not worth as much as it should be.
 
I've heard it called "Boston", but I'm not sure why. Shorty would never use it.
It's fairly easy to escape from the leave.

Troy
rocky said:
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this is my one pocket brake, i use a soft - med. stroke. The cue ball usually dies on the rack kicking a couple of balls toward my pocket and leaving no shot for my opponent.
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jack said:
Didn't look too easy from the ball spread I'd see him get, and the position of the cue...
Would you mind diagramming how you like to break longhair?
thanks!
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Boyd (longhair) usually uses the standard(as I've seen it) break, something like this:
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The only pro match I've heard of where someone used a break other than splitting the two head balls is Corey Duel using a hard break on a Accu-Stats tape. Hitting the second and third ball or even lower is supposed to help prevent scratches, especially on smaller tables. It may also help if the rack is consistently loose; the end ball can come out and either kick you into a scratch or you can sell out a ball near your opponents hole.
 
jack said:
ahh, nice...i've seen that break before...it definitely doesn't leave them much, and does push some balls to your pocket.....why don't i see more people do this? too defensive?
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Seen more folks use this since Keith McCready did an article about it in Inside Pool.
 
Following a suggestion from a friend I have started breaking between the 1st 2 balls with low inside english. It seems to give a good spread on my side and leaves the cue ball much closer to the rail, if not on it.
 
jack said:
Didn't look too easy from the ball spread I'd see him get, and the position of the cue...
Would you mind diagramming how you like to break longhair?
thanks!
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Sorry I am so late to answer this; I was away from my desk. As Crawdaddio said, I use the standard break, grazing the first ball with inside english. I also use follow because it allows me a more level cue than otherwise, and also because I have a better sense of the speed that way. Here's my attempt at a diagram.
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I also feel that it pays to put as much inside (left) spin as you can on the cueball. It really kills on the first rail, so you can hit the break just a little harder. The heavy spin also increases your chances of landing on the side rail.

Of course, this is all based on the assumption that I am racking the balls myself, or that I can really depend on my opponent to rack them tight.
If that break is catching the corner ball, and my opponent has trouble kicking from the stack, I might try this.
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There are potential scratches for him(her) from either side of the loose ball. One nice thing about the breaks where the cueball sticks to the rack is that your opponent isn't going to find much offense from there.

This discussion is very informative. It's really great to have access to so many players' thoughts.
 
Troy said:
I've heard it called "Boston", but I'm not sure why. Shorty would never use it.
It's fairly easy to escape from the leave.

Troy
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I'm from the Boston area and play One Pocket, and played both Shorty (late in his career) and played Bob Ingersol (another late venerable One Pocket player) many times, and neither used that break. They both used the standard break -- lightly clipping the head ball, then glancing off the second ball, with inside english.

The only player I have run into up here that used to use the 'rail first' break regularly was Norm 'The Farmer' Webber, who isn't known so much for One Pocket. He is from Maine, anyway :) :) I use that break now and then if the standard break isn't working for me. Try starting with the cue ball alot farther off the side rail, and applying draw to shorten up the cue ball as it approaches the stack. For me, it helps keep the cue ball from sliding down the stack after impact.

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1pocket said:
I'm from the Boston area and play One Pocket, and played both Shorty (late in his career) and played Bob Ingersol (another late venerable One Pocket player) many times, and neither used that break. They both used the standard break -- lightly clipping the head ball, then glancing off the second ball, with inside english.

The only player I have run into up here that used to use the 'rail first' break regularly was Norm 'The Farmer' Webber, who isn't known so much for One Pocket. He is from Maine, anyway :) :) I use that break now and then if the standard break isn't working for me. Try starting with the cue ball alot farther off the side rail, and applying draw to shorten up the cue ball as it approaches the stack. For me, it helps keep the cue ball from sliding down the stack after impact.

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ahh, nice thought...so, that first ball clip is basically the standard, eh? ideally where do you want the cue, and how many balls do you plan on moving...just trying to get an idea of how hard to hit...
 
I believe that most pros try and freeze the cueball on the side rail between two and two-and-a-half diamonds up. The main thing is to get the rack between the cue ball and any balls that go near your hole. If you can get a ball on the end rail near your hole, and a ball on the side rail near your hole ("a ball high and a ball low") without your opponent being able to knock them away, you're sittin' pretty.
 
Where do I want the cue ??? I think I answered that in my first post ---
On the side rail about two diamonds up from the end rail.
Move as many balls as the shot will allow with enough "umph" to leave the CB in the desired location. I like at least 2-3 balls near my pocket, preferably 1 near the end rail and one near the side rail.

Troy
jack said:
ahh, nice thought...so, that first ball clip is basically the standard, eh? ideally where do you want the cue, and how many balls do you plan on moving...just trying to get an idea of how hard to hit...
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thx troy, missed that for a sec...so it seems like there's definitely a specific break that's desired...a pretty specific place to leave the cue, and those two balls, high and low, near your pocket.....will have to try it and see what happens...
 
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