one pocket foul

[will8834]

I seen this the other day and was wondering what the penalty would be. The ball was against the stack and the played just pushed the cue ball into the stack shoving the balls to his side of the table. Would this be just a one ball penalty or loss of game.

 

[AZE]

Hey Will, I am not 100% on the answer, so I'm not going to try and answer it. I would THINK that it's just a one-ball loss, but I could very well be wrong.

I actually have a follow up question for this thread (instead of starting a new one)... Let's say a player is left in a position where the cue ball is in, or near the inside of a corner pocket, and wants to take the scratch and freeze up the cue ball to the rail... is it a loss of game for pressing the tip up on the ball and holding it down until the ball freezes to the inside of the tit?
I've seen this done before and heard the arguments, but the other player just let it slip, saying not to do it again or it'd be a loss of game.

 

[pooltchr]

I seen this the other day and was wondering what the penalty would be. The ball was against the stack and the played just pushed the cue ball into the stack shoving the balls to his side of the table. Would this be just a one ball penalty or loss of game.

If it was pushed, it would be a foul. If the player stroked it, if a ball got to a rail, it's ok, if not, it's a foul.
Steve

 

[1pocket]

I seen this the other day and was wondering what the penalty would be. The ball was against the stack and the played just pushed the cue ball into the stack shoving the balls to his side of the table. Would this be just a one ball penalty or loss of game.

There is a funny story about a disgruntled player racking all the balls over to his pocket and declaring 'I owe one' -- I believe this happened at Johnston City, maybe someone can correct me

The issue is specifically addressed in the 'Official One Pocket Rules' on OnePocket.org, which I quote here:

6.6 Intentional fouls are an accepted part of One Pocket tactics as long as they are played by use of a legal stroke, such as by lightly touching the cue ball with the cue tip; by rolling the cue ball to a new location without regard for legal contact with either an object ball or a cushion; by pocket scratching the cue ball; or by using a legal jump technique to force the cue ball off the table. However, if the acting official rules that a player has used an illegal technique to direct the cue ball or any object balls to a more desirable location, then the incoming player has the option of either playing the balls where they lie, or requesting the official to restore all such moved balls to their location prior to the illegal maneuver. The offending player is charged the standard one ball foul penalty, and in addition may be further penalized at the discretion of the acting official under the general rules of unsportsmanlike conduct.

I'd say a game forfeit would be in order if it was an obvious illegal technique. (Of course, in genuine action, a lot depends on how much cash the opponent thinks they can go on to win if they let the guilty player get away with the move)

 

[Flex]

If it was pushed, it would be a foul. If the player stroked it, if a ball got to a rail, it's ok, if not, it's a foul.
Steve

So when is it an illegal push shot and when is it legal? Seems to me there's some disagreement with what a push shot actually is.

 

[1pocket]

So when is it an illegal push shot and when is it legal? Seems to me there's some disagreement with what a push shot actually is.

Push shots are covered in the standard general rules -- BCA, World rules, etc.
They are, however, often a point of contention

 

[Flex]

Push shots are covered in the standard general rules -- BCA, World rules, etc.
They are, however, often a point of contention

Yes, I'm aware they are a point of contention. Sometimes shooting away from the object ball will also result in a double hit on the cue ball, although opponents will usually let that slide.

If two object balls are frozen to each other and the cue ball is in contact with one of them, is it legal to shoot the cue ball into one of the object balls to throw the 2nd ball?

If the cue ball is frozen to an object ball, and shooting into the object ball, even if slightly will send that object ball in the direction of another object ball that if struck will definitely pot, or go to a rail, etc., is it a legal shot to execute in the manner described? This one came up in a game last night. My opponent asked about how he could shoot the shot, I said away from the frozen ball. Was I right?

Flex

 

[desert1pocket]

This has been debated here several times, and you can do a search to find the threads in the archives. My belief is that if the balls are frozen, it is possible to legally shoot through the cue ball straight towards the object ball, but if there is even a paper thin gap between the balls, it becomes an illegal push shot. This is due to the fact that if there is no gap between the balls, the cue ball will not rebound off the obect ball back into the tip causing a double hit. This does not mean that any time a shot is played this way it is legal, but as long as the shooter doesn't follow through too far and strike the ball again, it can be a legal shot.