One Pocket - Tricky Shot

[Patrick Johnson]

Here's a one pocket shot that comes up pretty often, but I still don't know exactly how it should be played. I think I know what to do with the 10 ball (blue line), but I don't know how best to play the cue ball. I'd either like to leave it on the rail behind the stack (red line) or close-up behind the stack (black line).

Can either of these shots beat the kiss? How do you hit them? Is this even the right shot?

I want to impress 1 Pocket Ghost this weekend with my learning progress, so give me your good stuff (hope he's not looking ).

pj
chgo

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[Southpaw]

You can use low left english and get the cue ball behind the stack. This is a very effective shot when executed properly.

Southpaw

 

[pletho]

It would be much easier to use between 2:30 & 3:00 english and follow through the cue ball will go up to the side rail and the ten will react the same as you have drawn it, this way you should have no kiss at all, you just have to cut the object ball the ten, in the right place on the far left. This is a good shot that comes up alot and is not that hard to execute if you practice it. IMHO

 

[1 Pocket Ghost]

I want to impress 1 Pocket Ghost this weekend with my learning progress, so give me your good stuff (hope he's not looking ).

pj
chgo


Don't worry, I'm not looking at your shot....I'm pleasantly enmeshed in another part of the world-wide-web right now, looking at porn - something called "Asian college girls gone wild".....I think smorg is over here too, I think I saw him lurking in the virtual shadows.....

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Don't worry, I'm not looking at your shot....I'm pleasantly enmeshed in another part of the world-wide-web right now, looking at porn - something called "Asian college girls gone wild".....I think smorg is over here too, I think I saw him lurking in the virtual shadows.....

Mmmmm... enmeshed.

Wait, that doesn't hurt, does it?

pj
chgo

 

[1 Pocket Ghost]

Mmmmm... enmeshed.

Wait, that doesn't hurt, does it?

pj
chgo

Not as long as you have her use the velvet ropes.

ps, sorry for my perverted hijacking of your thread.....

 

[JoeyA]

Here's a one pocket shot that comes up pretty often, but I still don't know exactly how it should be played. I think I know what to do with the 10 ball (blue line), but I don't know how best to play the cue ball. I'd either like to leave it on the rail behind the stack (red line) or close-up behind the stack (black line).

Can either of these shots beat the kiss? How do you hit them? Is this even the right shot?

I want to impress 1 Pocket Ghost this weekend with my learning progress, so give me your good stuff (hope he's not looking ).

pj
chgo

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If I did your shot above I would be more inclined to use high english only, maybe with a little left to keep the cue out of the path of the 10 ball.


You might try the shot below. I have used it more than one time.

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It is fairly safe and can pay big dividends.
JoeyA

 

[Deadon]

Joey-pretty tough shot,miss the hit by .5 inch with that reverse and you sell out a bank and maybe more because the rack is open on the opponents side.

Patrick;

One possibility, a different alterative, is to shot the same shot, use high right and send the cue ball two rails into the 6/13. It avoids the kiss in your other shots and is much safer than either of your other shots.

Mike

 

[Deadon]

Another option would be to cross the top of the 10 fairly firm and go into rack (low side of the 13). 7,11,2 become playable on your side.

 

[Franky]

This is a very dangerous position as a mistake can lose the game. I'd opt for much more caution here:

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[JoeyA]

Joey-pretty tough shot,miss the hit by .5 inch with that reverse and you sell out a bank and maybe more because the rack is open on the opponents side.

Patrick;

One possibility, a different alterative, is to shot the same shot, use high right and send the cue ball two rails into the 6/13. It avoids the kiss in your other shots and is much safer than either of your other shots.

Mike

Mike:

When you put that high right hand English, it is going to speed up the cue ball and it may contact the 10 ball........
JoeyA

 

[Nick B]

What's wrong with simply and wait for better setup?

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[trendkill]

Another alternative since the 10 is no real threat from up table...kick the 15 with to the other side of the table, stick the CB.

 

[Franky]

Another alternative since the 10 is no real threat from up table...kick the 15 with to the other side of the table, stick the CB.

The problem with this sort of shot is that he has balls high and low and can stick you on the back of the pack next shot since you have nothing in front of your hole. That's why its so dangerous. You have to prevent him from being able to stick you there IMHO.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Southpaw:
You can use low left english and get the cue ball behind the stack.

pletho:
It would be much easier to use between 2:30 & 3:00 english and follow through the cue ball will go up to the side rail

JoeyA:
use high english only, maybe with a little left to keep the cue out of the path of the 10 ball

kick the 10 with left spin

Honorable Mention to 1 Pocket Ghost:
Use the velvet ropes

I tried all these shots several times tonight and none of them beat the kiss (although a kiss works well with Ghost's idea). But one suggestion does work, and it's the only one I had never tried before:

Deadon:
cross the top of the 10 fairly firm and go into rack

Deadon's shot works consistently if the 10 is hit thin with inside english:

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The inside english keeps the cue ball from hitting too far up on the stack and caroming uptable (although that's not much of a risk the way the balls on that side of the stack are arranged in the diagram). Hitting firmly moves the 10 ball up the side rail past the cue ball (so that there's no shot on it) plus moves balls out of the stack to my side.

This will be a good offensive solution to this situation in many layouts. Thanks, Deadon.

Others suggested good defensive plays, which I appreciate too, but I was really looking for a consistent offensive move for this situation.

pj
chgo

 

[JoeyA]

I tried all these shots several times tonight and none of them beat the kiss (although a kiss works well with Ghost's idea). But one suggestion does work, and it's the only one I had never tried before:



Deadon's shot works consistently if the 10 is hit thin with inside english:

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The inside english keeps the cue ball from hitting too far up on the stack and caroming uptable (although that's not much of a risk the way the balls on that side of the stack are arranged in the diagram). Hitting firmly moves the 10 ball up the side rail past the cue ball (so that there's no shot on it) plus moves balls out of the stack to my side.

This will be a good offensive solution to this situation in many layouts. Thanks, Deadon.

Others suggested good defensive plays, which I appreciate too, but I was really looking for a consistent offensive move for this situation.

pj
chgo

Patrick, the way the 10 ball looks in your diagram, it looks like you would either have to do a half ball hit on the ten or use a slight amount of right hand English to get the cue ball into the stack as shown. ???????????

JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

What's wrong with simply and wait for better setup?

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This shot could easily leave an easy bank on the one ball with the cue hiding behind the stack and then maybe having a go at the 3, 5, 10 and/or stack.
JoeyA

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Patrick, the way the 10 ball looks in your diagram, it looks like you would either have to do a half ball hit on the ten or use a slight amount of right hand English to get the cue ball into the stack as shown. ???????????

JoeyA

That can be true if you hit it too thin, Joey - and then the 10 ball doesn't go far enough up the side rail either. If you hit it right (not as thin as possible) the 10 ball goes far enough up the side rail to avoid giving up a shot on it, and then you need some left spin to hit the rack right.

I was careless with the diagram: the 10 ball has to be farther from the pocket to bank and hit the side rail that far uptable. If it's 1/2 diamond from the pocket (as the diagram shows) the shot still works but the 10 hits the side rail sooner and rebounds out a little as it goes uptable.

I don't think it's too sensitive to these things - there seems to be some room for error. I hope you'll try it out and tell me what you think. Maybe you'll teach me an improvement.

pj
chgo

 

[JoeyA]

That can be true if you hit it too thin, Joey - and then the 10 ball doesn't go far enough up the side rail either. If you hit it right (not as thin as possible) the 10 ball goes far enough up the side rail to avoid giving up a shot on it, and then you need some left spin to hit the rack right.

I was careless with the diagram: the 10 ball has to be farther from the pocket to bank and hit the side rail that far uptable. If it's 1/2 diamond from the pocket (as the diagram shows) the shot still works but the 10 hits the side rail sooner and rebounds out a little as it goes uptable.

I don't think it's too sensitive to these things - there seems to be some room for error. I hope you'll try it out and tell me what you think. Maybe you'll teach me an improvement.

pj
chgo

I doubt it. The precise positioning of the balls on the layout is critical in determining what you would do but.......

Most of the time, I am playing players better than myself, either getting weight while gambling or playing in the larger tournaments. Either way I know I have an uphill battle. That is why I choose to kick the 10 ball in my hole and hope to hide the cue ball behind the stack. Getting a ball close to my hole or in my hole is a major priority when playing the better players. Unfortunately, that is the only way I have a chance of beating them. Hiding in the stack with no ball by my hole is futile in my experience. If playing players with similar skills, I might opt the shot 1 pocket ghost offered.

Another possible shot since you have a table at home an I am only keeping Jack company tonight is to try that shot using low left and leaving the cue ball on the back rail and trying to bank the 10 ball into the stack or the 5 ball, moving balls to your side of the table.
JoeyA

 

[Nick B]

Joey,
If you come out far enough to give the guy a bank on the one you deserve what you get. He still needs to get passed the 15. He could wreck and not like what they get.

Nick

This shot could easily leave an easy bank on the one ball with the cue hiding behind the stack and then maybe having a go at the 3, 5, 10 and/or stack.
JoeyA