Orcollo goes to the Dark side

terryhanna

terryhanna

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I am watching Dennis and Dodong play at the event in N. Carolina and see Robocop is using a Revo now.

Not sure how many of the elite guys are using carbon fiber now but it seems like a good %



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On Meucci's website, they list Orcollo as one of their players.

Meucci has a new Carbon Pro Shaft, too.
 
Let's see how long it lasts no one bar none changes shafts or butts more than he does heck he was playing with a universal cue one tournament


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It is only a matter of time before most if not all will be using them.

There's no downsides to CF compared to wood, none.

However, there's benefits in consistency, durability, resistance to elements and all that.

Wood on the other hand has been on a steady decline. Super high quality, ultra hard, clean maple is basically non-existent. A small handful of cuemakers get their hands on pretty decent stuff. But even that is not as good as a premium shaft from the early 1980's or before.

The world has lots of maple. But environmentalism has cut off access to it.

Aside from a lack of super high quality cuts, wood warps, dings, dents, gets filthy and is slightly less consistent.


As a top player, it is of huge benefit to minimize all variables and BS in one's game. Having less things to think about is better. Having less adjustment time, practically zero adjustment time when switching to a new shaft is a huge benefit. With the CF, there's almost no reason to ever even switch shafts or cycle them out of use....These are all big wins from an equipment standpoint. Lower maintenance is also a huge factor. Pros travel a lot, which means their cues are subjected to very wide ranges of temperatures and air moisture levels. One week they are in a desert with 5% humidity, the next in a place with 90%, and another week up north in freezing weather. While no one is leaving their cue outside - there is still a moisture and temperature fluctuation across regions regardless of climate control.

Even an intermediate player who has played with the same shaft for a long enough time notices a difference between it, and even another shaft of the same make. I could feel the difference between maple shafts from the same maker. Even between the Predator 314's...those did not play identical from one shaft to the next.

With CF, you only need to make one adjustment. From wood to CF. Then you're set. There's the deflection properties, which will also be more consistent. Doesn't matter if high or low, consistency.


The only real variable is the tip hardness and feel as you break in a new tip.


The only people who scoff at CF or criticize them are those who haven't used one. Or cheapskates who let the cost taint their opinion. They are like people who tell you the food at best restaurant in town doesn't taste good or is overrated. Until you pick up the check, then it's delicious.
 
PhilosopherKing said:
That ship has sailed, and the pictured cue is a Predator.
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Yep that is Predator cue and Revo shaft.

Roy's basement was doing commentary and said Dennis really likes it but is having a little trouble getting used to the sound it makes.

And by the way Dennis lost that match 9-8 to Dodong who was using a South West with standard maple shaft :)
 
Grilled Cheese said:
It is only a matter of time before most if not all will be using them.

There's no downsides to CF compared to wood, none.

However, there's benefits in consistency, durability, resistance to elements and all that.

Wood on the other hand has been on a steady decline. Super high quality, ultra hard, clean maple is basically non-existent. A small handful of cuemakers get their hands on pretty decent stuff. But even that is not as good as a premium shaft from the early 1980's or before.

The world has lots of maple. But environmentalism has cut off access to it.

Aside from a lack of super high quality cuts, wood warps, dings, dents, gets filthy and is slightly less consistent.


As a top player, it is of huge benefit to minimize all variables and BS in one's game. Having less things to think about is better. Having less adjustment time, practically zero adjustment time when switching to a new shaft is a huge benefit. With the CF, there's almost no reason to ever even switch shafts or cycle them out of use....These are all big wins from an equipment standpoint. Lower maintenance is also a huge factor. Pros travel a lot, which means their cues are subjected to very wide ranges of temperatures and air moisture levels. One week they are in a desert with 5% humidity, the next in a place with 90%, and another week up north in freezing weather. While no one is leaving their cue outside - there is still a moisture and temperature fluctuation across regions regardless of climate control.

Even an intermediate player who has played with the same shaft for a long enough time notices a difference between it, and even another shaft of the same make. I could feel the difference between maple shafts from the same maker. Even between the Predator 314's...those did not play identical from one shaft to the next.

With CF, you only need to make one adjustment. From wood to CF. Then you're set. There's the deflection properties, which will also be more consistent. Doesn't matter if high or low, consistency.


The only real variable is the tip hardness and feel as you break in a new tip.


The only people who scoff at CF or criticize them are those who haven't used one. Or cheapskates who let the cost taint their opinion. They are like people who tell you the food at best restaurant in town doesn't taste good or is overrated. Until you pick up the check, then it's delicious.
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lol the fact is custom cue makers have a huge stock of shaft material and there is zero shortage of maple it grows like wild fire that's certainly no reason not to use one
However I find the other things being true I believe the CF shaft will soon take over because it's simply better

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I am trying to objectively see the advantages of wood.

The only I have seen are the following:


  • Some like the feel of wood shafts. Question here, is this because they think wood has a better feel or it is just what they are use to?
  • Wood shafts (at least so far) are better looking.
  • Sentimental value in playing with wood...cause that's the way the game has been played for years with...

Do people see other advantages? And do people feel these advantages outweigh the advantages that cf has?
 
And if you are in the crowd that thinks cf shafts are better...then why not cf butts?

Besides wood looking better and the tradition there...cf is functionally better.

Wouldn't cf butts (along with cf shafts) solve the 'leaving in the trunk' issue???
 
Roy had said before that DO didn't like and quit using the Revo b/c it was all black and he was more comfortable the white ferrule.
 
Grilled Cheese said:
It is only a matter of time before most if not all will be using them.

There's no downsides to CF compared to wood, none.

However, there's benefits in consistency, durability, resistance to elements and all that.

Wood on the other hand has been on a steady decline. Super high quality, ultra hard, clean maple is basically non-existent. A small handful of cuemakers get their hands on pretty decent stuff. But even that is not as good as a premium shaft from the early 1980's or before.

The world has lots of maple. But environmentalism has cut off access to it.

Aside from a lack of super high quality cuts, wood warps, dings, dents, gets filthy and is slightly less consistent.


As a top player, it is of huge benefit to minimize all variables and BS in one's game. Having less things to think about is better. Having less adjustment time, practically zero adjustment time when switching to a new shaft is a huge benefit. With the CF, there's almost no reason to ever even switch shafts or cycle them out of use....These are all big wins from an equipment standpoint. Lower maintenance is also a huge factor. Pros travel a lot, which means their cues are subjected to very wide ranges of temperatures and air moisture levels. One week they are in a desert with 5% humidity, the next in a place with 90%, and another week up north in freezing weather. While no one is leaving their cue outside - there is still a moisture and temperature fluctuation across regions regardless of climate control.

Even an intermediate player who has played with the same shaft for a long enough time notices a difference between it, and even another shaft of the same make. I could feel the difference between maple shafts from the same maker. Even between the Predator 314's...those did not play identical from one shaft to the next.

With CF, you only need to make one adjustment. From wood to CF. Then you're set. There's the deflection properties, which will also be more consistent. Doesn't matter if high or low, consistency.


The only real variable is the tip hardness and feel as you break in a new tip.


The only people who scoff at CF or criticize them are those who haven't used one. Or cheapskates who let the cost taint their opinion. They are like people who tell you the food at best restaurant in town doesn't taste good or is overrated. Until you pick up the check, then it's delicious.
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well-articulated post, but what about feel? soul?
the "best" restaurants aren't always the pricey ones...
 
The main advantage I see is you can replace your cue at will. Having machine - made, off the shelf cues means of your stuff gets lost or stolen, a replacement is a few clicks away.
It is possible that cf is more consistent. I doubt the difference is enough to matter to the average player.
 
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Exactly. Which is why Becue makes a complete cue with carbon fiber butt and shaft. The only one, as far as I know.
 
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