Past US government support for billiards

[justnum]

Current events can be challenging. History is always worth remembering.

Can you imagine the billiard industry front and center as a National Recovery Act in America almost 100 years ago?

Today more entities have become interested in billiards, warping and shaping it to meet their needs.

How likely is it America does have a government level endorsement for recovering billiards?

In the absence of American power players, the WCBS and WPA have become billiards number one ban enforcers.

Code of fair competition for the bowling and billiard equipment industry and trade as approved on March 30, 1935. - British Library

explore.bl.uk

 

[FranCrimi]

What does that mean?

 

[garczar]

What does that mean?

You're asking this space-cadet to explain himself???? You're either brave as hell or extremely bored.

 

[justnum]

What does that mean?

I was hoping some of the billiard trade association could explain how that historic legislation was formed.

If a trade association was setting rules for its workers. Can it be done in foreign countries?

Brunswick opens a factory in China, imports American workers, then those workers choose to compete at billiard events.

Predator is a trade association with players in federation events. There is a lot of mixing of language and associations.

Its complex to start a discussion on.

 

[justnum]

The Billiard Industry Trades were the first to legally state equal pay for females and males. This in 1935. That predates Civil Rights.

Women continue to fight for equal pay. Today women in billiards are on the receiving end of bans. Women players are not accessing the same volume of events or prize money as male players.

As the WPA grows in prize money, it increases the gap between top male and top female prize money. There is a negative correlation with WPA prize money and female player earnings potential.

 

[fastone371]

The NRA was not for "support of billiards", rather it was for workplace and industry, all industry, it was for fair treatment of employees.

National Recovery Administration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1935, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously declared that the NRA law was unconstitutional, ruling that it infringed the separation of powers under the United States Constitution.

 

[FranCrimi]

The NRA was not for "support of billiards", rather it was for workplace and industry, all industry, it was for fair treatment of employees.

National Recovery Administration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1935, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously declared that the NRA law was unconstitutional, ruling that it infringed the separation of powers under the United States Constitution.

Thanks for the link. I see now. It's government price-fixing by industry --- very socialist in nature. Makes sense that it was declared unconstitutional.

 

[fastone371]

Thanks for the link. I see now. It's government price-fixing by industry --- very socialist in nature. Makes sense that it was declared unconstitutional.

I just wanted to clarify OP's opening comment, OP kinda made it sound like this was the US Government subsidizing and spending money and resources on pool when in fact it was about employer/employee guidelines/wages/work hours, etc.

 

[Black-Balled]

I just wanted to clarify OP's opening comment, OP kinda made it sound like this was the US Government subsidizing and spending money and resources on pool when in fact it was about employer/employee guidelines/wages/work hours, etc.

Dude has definitely shown he's got some holes in his thinker over the years.

 

[FranCrimi]

I just wanted to clarify OP's opening comment, OP kinda made it sound like this was the US Government subsidizing and spending money and resources on pool when in fact it was about employer/employee guidelines/wages/work hours, etc.

According to the link you provided: "...and allowed industries to get together and write "codes of fair competition". The codes intended both to help workers set minimum wages and maximum weekly hours, as well as minimum prices at which products could be sold."

That's price fixing, which was clearly their main goal so they could pass along any increased labor costs to the public and still maintain their desired profit margin. Bad stuff.

 

[fastone371]

According to the link you provided: "...and allowed industries to get together and write "codes of fair competition". The codes intended both to help workers set minimum wages and maximum weekly hours, as well as minimum prices at which products could be sold."

That's price fixing, which was clearly their main goal so they could pass along any increased labor costs to the public and still maintain their desired profit margin. Bad stuff.

I agree, my main point was to simply show that this was not a government program tom promote billiards as the thread title clearly says. The thread title is very misleading, in fact some would say it is an outright lie.

 

[justnum]

I agree, my main point was to simply show that this was not a government program tom promote billiards as the thread title clearly says. The thread title is very misleading, in fact some would say it is an outright lie.

That could be said about the interpretation of sports governance and the roles of sports federations play.

Promoting universal billiards versus promoting federation billiards. Billiards was introduced as a recreational community activity. It was not used as a tool to ban or prohibit player participation from the organized and unorganized world.

Translating the criticisms of the WCBS would be considered a death sentence in some countries. The role of the free world is to show what others cant. Players cant speak because of government consequences.

In the example I cited women started fighting for equal pay. The source document shows who supported that philosophy in legal writing.