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WilleeCue

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Have any of you given a really good look at Jerry Pechauer's cues?
I looked at a few at a pool hall and honestly, I could not find one flaw in the entire cue. Seriously .. I make cues and I am telling you that if you like the shaft taper and hit of a Pechauer's cue you cant find a better deal anywhere.
Absoulite perfection!
For a production cue Jerry Pechauer offers a lot of value for your money.
And he is a really nice guy too.

Jerry ... send the check to willeecue. <g>
 
In the club were I play (Dijkje, The Hague, The Netherlands) there are about 5 players with a pechauer. I also have one and I must say it is the best Q I ever had. Hopefully I can visit the states ones and can check out the factory and In my rich days buy my pechauer custom Q.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i didnt realize Pechauer's are production cues???
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Jerry will custom make a cue for you, but most are what are usually referred to as production cues.
 
custom is hand made to your desired specs.
production is mass produced by machines, to the exact specs about every time.

i raised this question before about Pechauer Cues and whether they were custom or production. seems like a Pechauer Cue could fall into 3 categories to me:
1) custom
2) production
3) a little of both

just my $.02
DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
custom is hand made to your desired specs.
production is mass produced by machines, to the exact specs about every time.

i raised this question before about Pechauer Cues and whether they were custom or production. seems like a Pechauer Cue could fall into 3 categories to me:
1) custom
2) production
3) a little of both

just my $.02
DCP
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Yeah...I would agree about Pechauer Cues falling in your categories, but I would say predominately production. (Maybe 99%). If you go to www.pechauer.com all of the cues are made in batches and look the same, some more limited than others but that still falls under production. Very much the same as Schon or Joss.

As far as the first part goes, a custom cue maker and a production cue company still use machines and human beings to make the cues, it isn't all machines as I saw a program the other day on the Hillerich and Bradsby Co. that makes Louisville Slugger baseball bats. They place a hunk of wood in this programmed lathe and in about 30-40 seconds that thing cuts out a perfect baseball bat. A production cue isn't made anywhere close to that way. There's still a lot of human activity involved. It's just the duplication and sameness, typically in larger numbers.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
custom is hand made to your desired specs.
production is mass produced by machines, to the exact specs about every time.
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I'm not thrilled with these definitions. A custom cue doesn't have to be hand-made (which is misnomer to begin with). A production cue doesn't have to mass-produced.

There really should be more definitions for cues, definitions that fit what all other industries use for the terms "production" and "custom." The terms are not mutually exclusive. I like the terms

custom-made cue
one-off or one-of-a-kind
catalog cue
line cue
limited run
special run
mass run
made on spec. (speculation)
made to customer specifications

"Custom" and "custom-made" have stopped being the same thing something like 50 years ago or more. That's part of the confusion, IMO.

Fred
 
I once got chastised by Jerry Pechauer for listing Pechauer Cues among a list of cuemakers I labeled as "production" cues.

For the cash, Jerry Pechauer cues are definitely solid cues. They take a lot of pride in their construction methods and the finished product.

I have been to the factory and I can tell you that they don't skimp on materials or steps.

Good cues.

John
 
Fred Agnir said:
I'm not thrilled with these definitions. A custom cue doesn't have to be hand-made (which is misnomer to begin with). A production cue doesn't have to mass-produced.

There really should be more definitions for cues, definitions that fit what all other industries use for the terms "production" and "custom." The terms are not mutually exclusive. I like the terms

custom-made cue
one-off or one-of-a-kind
catalog cue
line cue
limited run
special run
mass run
made on spec. (speculation)
made to customer specifications

"Custom" and "custom-made" have stopped being the same thing something like 50 years ago or more. That's part of the confusion, IMO.

Fred
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Fred...I like these categories, but can you give what you believe to be a clear cut definition of each. For instance, what numbers are we talking about between limited run, special run, mass run, or line cue. And do you think, in the purest sense of the word "custom cue", that they should all be one of a kind or would you combine the two categories. "One of a kind custom cue"? And wouldn't made to customer specifications be a custom cue?
 
drivermaker said:
Fred...I like these categories, but can you give what you believe to be a clear cut definition of each. For instance, what numbers are we talking about between limited run, special run, mass run, or line cue. And do you think, in the purest sense of the word "custom cue", that they should all be one of a kind or would you combine the two categories. "One of a kind custom cue"? And wouldn't made to customer specifications be a custom cue?
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Here is one thing I have noticed. Most custom guys will put whatever inlays you want, wood type, ivory and so forth, and most,will use different joints depending on what you want.

But start talking about balance. I know one custom guy who makes all of his 18.5 from the butt end and says that is mid balance. Some are slightly front but will put in a bolt in the back if you want to change the balance. I talked to one guy who makes production and will do custom too. When I wrote him and asked if his cues were back,mid or front balance, his responce was 'how would you like you cue? front, mid or back?'. Then there is the thing about butt diameter. Some, even though they do all the fancy stuff individuallized, just have one butt diameter, while others will vary it smaller or thicker.

There are other specs I have not thought of, but when a cuemakers's cue is the same diameter, weighting and just has this one setting on a lathe, than how custom is that compared to a cuemaker who will make some adjustments to meet the wants of the customer?

Laura
 
onepocketchump said:
I once got chastised by Jerry Pechauer for listing Pechauer Cues among a list of cuemakers I labeled as "production" cues.
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I don't think you were incorrect at all in stating it as such. So, two questions: Don't you think there are a number of cuemakers that misuse the word "custom" in the truest sense of the word? And since your verbal tongue lashing by Jerry, have you changed your mind about the classification?

I agree, they're a very well made cue but they ain't custom in my opinion.
(Don't tell Jerry I said that)
 
Bluewolf said:
Here is one thing I have noticed. Most custom guys will put whatever inlays you want, wood type, ivory and so forth, and most,will use different joints depending on what you want.

But start talking about balance. I know one custom guy who makes all of his 18.5 from the butt end and says that is mid balance. Some are slightly front but will put in a bolt in the back if you want to change the balance. I talked to one guy who makes production and will do custom too. When I wrote him and asked if his cues were back,mid or front balance, his responce was 'how would you like you cue? front, mid or back?'. Then there is the thing about butt diameter. Some, even though they do all the fancy stuff individuallized, just have one butt diameter, while others will vary it smaller or thicker.

There are other specs I have not thought of, but when a cuemakers's cue is the same diameter, weighting and just has this one setting on a lathe, than how custom is that compared to a cuemaker who will make some adjustments to meet the wants of the customer?

Laura
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Well here is my opinion. :)

Why would you buy a Tim Scruggs that had completely different dimensions than his (Tim's) standards? That wouldn't be a Tim Scruggs cue. If I made a cue with different dimensions, different joint, different shaft taper, and messed with the natural balance of the woods, even I would not know how it would turn out (hit). So I don't really like the word "custom".
When I get around to making more cues, I will not change the dimensions, joint or shaft taper, because I like them the way they are. If I did change those things, then it wouldn't be a JT Cue. This is just my opinion.
A cue maker works for years (or just gets lucky from the start) to find that "perfect" combination. If everybody asked for something different than what he has chosen to be "his" standards, what would be the point of all that "research" into what he/she would feel as the perfect cue.
I tried to get this point across on another forum, and it just went over their heads. Come to find out, most of them owned Meuccis/Lucasi's Etc. What do they know??? LOL

Thanks,

Jon <<-- shrivels up in a little ball, waiting for the flaming to begin...
 
BiG_JoN said:
Well here is my opinion. :)

Why would you buy a Tim Scruggs that had completely different dimensions than his (Tim's) standards? That wouldn't be a Tim Scruggs cue. If I made a cue with different dimensions, different joint, different shaft taper, and messed with the natural balance of the woods, even I would not know how it would turn out (hit). So I don't really like the word "custom".
When I get around to making more cues, I will not change the dimensions, joint or shaft taper, because I like them the way they are. If I did change those things, then it wouldn't be a JT Cue. This is just my opinion.
A cue maker works for years (or just gets lucky from the start) to find that "perfect" combination. If everybody asked for something different than what he has chosen to be "his" standards, what would be the point of all that "research" into what he/she would feel as the perfect cue.
I tried to get this point across on another forum, and it just went over their heads. Come to find out, most of them owned Meuccis/Lucasi's Etc. What do they know??? LOL

Thanks,

Jon <<-- shrivels up in a little ball, waiting for the flaming to begin...
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But what is perfect to you may not be perfect to me. There in lie's the 'custom' maker's realm. Pel
 
Fred Agnir said:
I'm not thrilled with these definitions. A custom cue doesn't have to be hand-made (which is misnomer to begin with). A production cue doesn't have to mass-produced.

There really should be more definitions for cues, definitions that fit what all other industries use for the terms "production" and "custom." The terms are not mutually exclusive. I like the terms

custom-made cue
one-off or one-of-a-kind
catalog cue
line cue
limited run
special run
mass run
made on spec. (speculation)
made to customer specifications

"Custom" and "custom-made" have stopped being the same thing something like 50 years ago or more. That's part of the confusion, IMO.

Fred
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Fred, you bring up "one of a kind". I have some cues marked 1/1 but the maker will make several of the same cue and by changing the rings or inlay material number each 1/1. Do you feel this is truly a one of a kind? I'm not complaining about the cues. My step-son is a coming shooter and uses one of these and loves it. I just personally feel that a maker should do more than that to call it one of a kind.
 
i really like my Pechauer. the looks, hit, feel, etc, its all good. as soon as i get the shaft turned down to 12.75, and the Moori tip replaced with a Tsunami tip i think it will be an excellent, excellent cue.

custom. production. semi-custom. whatever. if its a quality cue the main thing is the Cueist. look at Allison and Earl playing with Cuetec Cues and what they've done.

DCP
 
drivermaker said:
Fred...I like these categories, but can you give what you believe to be a clear cut definition of each.
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Nope, I can't give a clear cut definition. Nobody can. That's part of the dilemma.


And do you think, in the purest sense of the word "custom cue", that they should all be one of a kind or would you combine the two categories. "One of a kind custom cue"? And wouldn't made to customer specifications be a custom cue?
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As I said, "custom" stopped meaning "custom-made" a long time ago. The general meaning of "custom" in the manufacturing world has come to mean "not commonly found" and not much more. And with cues, that generally meant decades ago anything other than a house cue.

So, a loose definition has evolved. You can order a thousand "custom T-shirts" online. They certainly aren't one-of-a-kind, but they're custom if you specially ordered them to whatever criteria you want. You can buy a custom model car, right off the assembly line even, without ever being a part of its design. Nobody bats an eye at the use of the term. You can buy a motorcycle with a custom paint job, even though you the customer may not have been the one that ordered that paint job. All legitimate uses of the word "custom" as it has evolved in manufacturing.

For mass produced (which is NOT the opposite of custom), a loose definition can be that the volume being produced has been sufficient that the margin has surpassed the cost to make the "custom equipmment" for that product (amortization). In this case, "custom" means "specific to that product." Another widely accepted use of the word "custom" as it pertains to manufacturing.

Fred <~~~ custom, production, as long as it's quality
 
Kinda like what Scott Lee said - you can buy all the cue you need to just shoot pool with for less than $150.
 
Pelican said:
Fred, you bring up "one of a kind". I have some cues marked 1/1 but the maker will make several of the same cue and by changing the rings or inlay material number each 1/1. Do you feel this is truly a one of a kind? I'm not complaining about the cues. My step-son is a coming shooter and uses one of these and loves it. I just personally feel that a maker should do more than that to call it one of a kind.
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How much more should he do? What about a different joint, ivory instead of stainless? What about a different butt cap? What if he added spears to the points? What if he added leather instead of linen? And would you cut more slack for a cuemaker that had a really big name and was well respected in the industry who's cues actually appreciated in value?
 
drivermaker said:
How much more should he do? What about a different joint, ivory instead of stainless? What about a different butt cap? What if he added spears to the points? What if he added leather instead of linen? And would you cut more slack for a cuemaker that had a really big name and was well respected in the industry who's cues actually appreciated in value?
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Do you know who I am refering too? Did you moonlight with 'Miss Cleo"? :confused:
 
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