Personal Accountability And Your Game

Eagleshot

Mark Nanashee
Silver Member
I'll be the first to admit that I struggle with this issue.

Ex: During a match (that I feel I am supposed to win) Sometimes you get bad rolls or your opponent gets good rolls.

It is easy to commiserate w/ freinds after a loss and say "That guy can't play, What a lucky ba*tard." "Did you see that ball roll off".............ect.

It is substantialy harder to say "I missed that ball because I hit it wrong" "I missed shape because I did not use the right speed."

I know this happens but rarely if ever and never happened to me. Someone runs a set on you. That is the only time you never had an influence on the outcome of a set.

I have read elswhere that losers look for an excuse to lose. If this is the case what steps are necessary to Find a Way to Win. Logically that would be the opposite of being a loser. Is it as simple as staying focused and in the match regardless (not that its all that simple).

This also is scary to most people. to really take a hard look in the mirror and test your own character.

I for one will start Finding Ways To Win.

I'm tired of all the excuses for losing.

I may not win every match but something tells me I'll be a better player, and maybe a better person.
 
I used to have a problem with it. Blaming the table for all my bad roles. I've grown to accept my missed shots and lost games - I've matured somewhat.
 
When I lose it's my own fault.....most of the time. The times when I don't feel at fault is when I know I played my best game and I get beat anyway. Sometimes the table beats you, sometimes your opponent out plays you. If you are able to recognize when you are outclassed, or are unable to solve the table run out, it makes you want it all the more. I'll be damned if I'm going to let the lay of the balls beat me, so I work harder at position play or recognizing patterns. When I'm out played on the table I'll be watching you, trying to see what you do right. Things that maybe I don't do, things I can adapt to my game. I love playing guys who are on that next level.

Most of my losses are the result of a mistake I make at the table. Poor shot selection or execution, failing to recognize the outcome of a shot, bad position play, or whatever it is, is really a failing of the mental game. I'm good at seeing where that mistake happened. Defining the turning point of the game or set, one critical mistake is all it takes. After I recognize the mistake I think about what made me make it. Did I let myself get distracted, or too excited? Then I think about what I should have done, log it away for future use and put the loss behind me.

I've learned that I play better solo than as part of a team. The reason is that I feel added pressure to put a win up for the team. I don't want to let the team down and that adds to the pressure. When I'm solo, If I lose no one else loses BECAUSE of me, and that's less pressure. Now that I know that I have asked the guys not to cheer me on, and it has helped with the adrenaline a lot. I've also learned that a walk around the table is a good thing to do when my excitement level starts to creep up, like when I've made a particularly difficult shot.

Putting the loses behind you that you had no control over and trying to learn from your mistakes is the only way IMO to improve. If you play the blame game you get no where fast.

McCue Banger McCue
 
The other player deosn't beat you . You beat your self ! Even if things are not going your way, you have to find the focus to turn the match in your favor . Play the right safey , Play the high percentage shot , And stay with your head in the game .Unless you play Efran Reyes you will most likely get chances at the table . I think even Efran will give you one chance . It's what you do with that chance that will tell the tale .
 
I think you have already made the first big jump...understanding that everything that happens when you shoot is a direct result of what YOU did. The table reacts the same way for both players. If the pockets are tight when you are shooting, they are the same size when your opponent is at the table, so it can't be the tight pockets. If balls roll off on slow roll shots, they do it for both players. The table doesn't give good rolls or bad rolls...the balls do exactly what YOU cause them to do. Understanding that is the key to taking responsibility for your game.

If you look for excuses outside of your own game, then you are saying you have no control. If you have no control, you can't make the adjustments needed for success. When you accept responsibility, you also take control. And when you are in control, you are on the way to winning.

Steve
 
A good topic.

I am guilty as charged with this one sometimes. As soon as I blame someone else, the table, my cue etc etc it just gets worse.

Lately ive been better, figuring out why I missed, blame myself and try harder next time. Once I get into a negative frame of mind my game goes from "Good" to "Awful" :eek:
 
I am an UN GREAT PLAYER

Eagleshot said:
I'm tired of all the excuses for losing.

Most UN GREAT Player LOOSE, I personallly loose because I get Distracted, and am not 110% FOCUSED UPON EACH SHOT I Shoot. Because I am an UN GREAT PLAYER:) :D :D :D :D
 
I'll blame a table is when it's so unlevel that a slow roll safety is ruined because the ball curved off badly. Yeah, I've heard it all - both people play on the same table. Unfortunately for me, I'm the only one that has to shoot that shot, and that's the only shot to shoot at that particular moment. I also think it's unfortunate for my opponent to have his shot ruined because of a poorly leveled table. You see, you CAN blame the equipment for that, because it wasn't the player that generated the error, it was the conditions. To say that all errors are player generated because they didn't pre-plan or evaluate the conditions is BS. It is unreasonable to think that one should be 100% familiar with a particular table before they play on it. Some tables take many hours of play to figure out all the quirks in it. When you have to think about a table and the conditions - in my opinion, that's a bad table. It should be you and your game vs. your opponent and their game. Both players shouldn't be pre-occupied with the mental burden of being a table detectives. It isn't a contest of who can deal with table problems - if you take that to its logical extreme, you could make a whole new game based on coping with bad conditions. Would you blame Tiger Woods for making a bad shot in the middle of hurricane force winds? The WPA and other organizations have certain minimum requirements for playability...if these are met, then there's nothing to blame but yourself.

I'm not picky either. So long as the equipment is decent and set up right, it never crosses my mind. I never complain about "too fast" or "too slow" when playing in different rooms where one might have 760 and the other 860. I also don't care about cushions that might be more lively or more dead. These are reasonable differences in conditions that a player should be able to deal with and adjust to. I also don't complain about the balls, unless they are outrageously filthy and I get that "skid" every 3 shots.


Another time I'll blame a table is if I rifle a ball into the dead center of a pocket, and the pocket vomits the ball right back out. Unacceptable. I've NEVER had this problem ever happen on a Diamond or Gold Crown table. This is one reason I advocate these tables when people ask advice on what to buy. These tables have properly designed pockets that don't puke balls out. There's a reason why they are chosen to be tournament tables in pro events. I like how I can fire a ball with speed into a side pocket on a Diamond table at an angle, and the pocket will accept the ball. This is despite the pocket being tighter than most other tables. So long as I clear the points on the cushions, and the angle isn't impossible - the pocket should drop the ball - regardless of speed.


There are an awful lot of awful table mechanics. I'd say 9 out of 10 are wannabes. Seems difficult to find the quality guys. There's a couple around here, and they charge an insane amount to do a table - but they do it right. They can even make a poor-brand of table that has lousy pockets that would eject balls play pretty decently. Most pool room owners aren't really into pool in the sense that they really care about conditions. A table is a money making part of the business, and the idea is to spend as little as possible and try and return as much as possible. You spend as little time, effort or money on a table as you can - the limit is when people will refuse to play on it, and there's always someone who will play on it. 2 tables spark (haunt) my memory, one with poorly set up cushions that would hop balls shot at any speed greater than lag speed, and another with such a bad pocket shim job, that any shot harder than lag speed will result in not pocketing a ball. The guy who set these up tables should be shot.


I've seen bad layered tips that have contributed to excessive miscues. I've also seen high-dollar custom cues with joints not true that would cause a wobble and enough run-out at the tip to be a problem. But these should be easily and quickly taken care of as they're within your personal control. I've never blamed that, as I make sure it doesn't become a problem to begin with. When something is within your control and you don't deal with it - then it is your fault.


Beyond that, I'd say everything else is player's fault. You're responsible for shooting a shot a certain way. There isn't much to it. There's direction (aim), spin on the ball, and speed. If you do all of this right - you should be rewarded. If a table causes you to miss when you did everything right - bad table and unacceptable equipment in my opinion.


I blame myself for 100% of what happens provided it wasn't a TRUE equipment problem. Play on good equipment and never think twice about it.
 
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Ever notice how the boastful basement ball banger reacts when he misses a kinda tough long straight-in shot? His dumfounded gaze says "how on Earth could that POSSIBLY have happened?" You watch with a wry smile, knowing it was a 30% shot at best for him, knowing that if you rewound the scene and let him try again and again 100 times, he'd miss it about 70 of them.

Players don't do that. But they do other things that make about as much sense. The problem is in this transition from blaming external influences (other people, equipment) to taking personal accountability. It's good for a player to outgrow the external blame thing, but it's a problem when he keeps the need for BLAME and just redirects it to himself.

We all play at a certain level. Take a spot shot for instance. You may be 80% on a spot shot when you're in stroke, and I may be 70% on the same shot. That means that even in stroke, doing nothing particularly wrong, you will miss it 2 out of ten times. Suppose you miss a spot shot that causes you to lose a set or get knocked out of a tournament. Does that mean you should blame yourself because you are SUPPOSED to make those shots? After all, you do make it most of the time, and you do remember making it for the cash many times in the past.

It COULD be that there's something to pay attention to about that shot in particular or about spot shots in general. But usually there isn't. You just missed it. You miss that shot 2 out of ten times, and one of those two reared its ugly head when it mattered. That's the way it goes.

So when does it deserve some attention?

You're 80% on the shot when you're in stroke and following you pre shot routine, etc. Perhaps you didn't take warm up strokes. Or perhaps you didn't really aim it. Or perhaps you didn't follow through. With any of these things in play, you might be 50% on the same shot instead of 80%. If you did something like these, you should pay attention to it.

Another possibility is you miss this shot more frequently by over cutting it. If you notice this over the long haul, then you should adjust your aim and perhaps become 85% on the shot in the future.

But again, most of the time, there is nothing to do and nobody to blame. When you stop blaming others, you should stop all the blaming. It's not productive, imo.

mike page
fargo
 
Great topic!

The previous posts are all great advice and right on the money.

Players that want to get to the next level should include working on their table behavior as part of their mental development.

As previously posted, it takes some hard work to look at your own faults... Try not to complain about the table or the rolls you get. Try not to speak to a "Yes Man", someone to whom you explain why you missed or are not winning. This behavior is a sign of weakness. In fact, don't speak to anyone. Stay focussed and you will appear strong to your opponents. It will actually unnerve less experienced players.
 
great topic Marky Mark

Hey Mark, funny that you mentioned this since this happened directly to me last night when I was shooting one pocket. Playing the crafty Click I ran into a opening series of position plays all forcing me to tighten up. I made a statement to him like this on his second identical position "Damnit son." Then after I sneakly made it through that shot without selling out he put me back into the same identical position for the 3rd time. Now getting frustrated I made this comment "I just know i'm going to sell out." He directly looked at me and said "You have already missed the ball" all this without even making my practice strokes. Low and behold I did make a good lick on the ball but did sell out 6 balls in doing so. He then turned and looked at me and said "When you have an attitude that you are going to miss a shot you are going to miss a shot." This will be my new working attitude for the next several months to get it into my heads that no matter what the position or severity of the shot that I have already made the shot 20 times in my head before I ever get up to the table. Since my opponent is helping me with my game and is a great player to boot I will hold those words strong since I understand completely what he was stating. If your attitude is that you can not be beat or you can not miss a ball you will not. However, if your attitude is that you will lose or you will miss a shot than you will. Interesting logic and just goes to show how much the mental aspect of pool determines your outcomes.
Mark you coming down this weekend? If so we can talk about it some more if you like.
 
Eagleshot said:
I'll be the first to admit that I struggle with this issue.

Ex: During a match (that I feel I am supposed to win) Sometimes you get bad rolls or your opponent gets good rolls.

It is easy to commiserate w/ freinds after a loss and say "That guy can't play, What a lucky ba*tard." "Did you see that ball roll off".............ect.

It is substantialy harder to say "I missed that ball because I hit it wrong" "I missed shape because I did not use the right speed."

I know this happens but rarely if ever and never happened to me. Someone runs a set on you. That is the only time you never had an influence on the outcome of a set.

I have read elswhere that losers look for an excuse to lose. If this is the case what steps are necessary to Find a Way to Win. Logically that would be the opposite of being a loser. Is it as simple as staying focused and in the match regardless (not that its all that simple).

This also is scary to most people. to really take a hard look in the mirror and test your own character.

I for one will start Finding Ways To Win.

I'm tired of all the excuses for losing.

I may not win every match but something tells me I'll be a better player, and maybe a better person.
One thing I would like to add is, if it happens early in a match, don't let it affect the rest of the set. It's easy to go on tilt early, and let it affect the outcome of the match.

Too many players win consistently in "hill-hill" matches for there not to be a reason why. It's easy to say, but you need to let things go that are in the past. 9-ball has ebbs and flows in every set. There are many times that I get down early in a match, and come back to win. I have see Eagle do it many times, too. Afterwards, you have to think about what made you come back to win the set, and try to incorporate that into other matches when things start slowly. And they do sometimes, many times with the reasons being out of your control. Also, don't get frustrated if things aren't your fault. If an opponent lucks a ball, then gets lucky position a game or two, then misses a ball and gets a lucky safety, then 3 rails the 9 to beat you a game, its easy to let it affect your game. But you have no control over the rolls another player is getting. Just try to stay focused and take advantage when it is your turn at the table. Usually you will come around and start to play better. And if you lose for any reason, don't dwell on it over a couple of minutes after the match. You'll get 'em next time.

I do well at coming back in matches when I get behind early. Even against excellent players. I wish that I could figure out why and start my matches with that same mindset. Maybe one day :) .

Mike
 
Eagleshot said:
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This also is scary to most people. to really take a hard look in the mirror and test your own character.

I for one will start Finding Ways To Win.

I'm tired of all the excuses for losing.

I may not win every match but something tells me I'll be a better player, and maybe a better person.

Try reading The Toa of Sports. Once you except the fact that you'll sometimes get bad rolls and sometimes lose through no fault of your own you're on the road to a healthier more fulfilling game and a better winning percentage. IMO.
 
mikepage said:
...It's good for a player to outgrow the external blame thing, but it's a problem when he keeps the need for BLAME and just redirects it to himself.

We all play at a certain level. Take a spot shot for instance. You may be 80% on a spot shot when you're in stroke, and I may be 70% on the same shot. That means that even in stroke, doing nothing particularly wrong, you will miss it 2 out of ten times. Suppose you miss a spot shot that causes you to lose a set or get knocked out of a tournament. Does that mean you should blame yourself because you are SUPPOSED to make those shots? After all, you do make it most of the time, and you do remember making it for the cash many times in the past.

It COULD be that there's something to pay attention to about that shot in particular or about spot shots in general. But usually there isn't. You just missed it. You miss that shot 2 out of ten times, and one of those two reared its ugly head when it mattered. That's the way it goes....

mike page
fargo
Well said, Mike!
 
When i miss a shot, I go back to the Electric chair and figure out what went wrong. I don't let it get me down. I just go over a pre-shot checklist in my mind before the next shot. I step to the table with a positive attitude. :D
 
Thorsten H. said on tv that when he misses he "goes through his checklist" to determine what HE did wrong. Note, he didn't even mention the equipment, the opponent, or whatever....he goes back into his self, the only thing, in reality, he can manage. That's the comment that makes me think he'll be one of the greatest of all time.

I have an ingredient in my shot recipe callled, Observe, Analyze, and Integrate Results. It contains more pages of info than ANY other ingredient in my recipe. Why? Because this ingredient holds more power than any other, as it will determine all my future shots. A guy otta look into that.

The main thing about this whole shebang is the concept of being honest with yourself. The answer doesn't lie outside yourself, magic or supernatural forces didn't interfere, the pool hall didn't exert magic powers over you, the opponent isn't your nemeisis, god doesn't hate you, the devil didn't renege on his deal to buy your soul, DCP didn't rub off his bad luck onto you, etc. etc. Without brutal honesty, this whole examination of self/shot exercise is useless---in fact, if you b/s yourself, "analyzing" the shot would move you in a negative direction, by nature.

Great topic!---rep points

Jeff Livingston
 
In my "younger days" I was guilty of this. As I matured I made less remarks to/about my opponent since I knew that had I done MY JOB.....it would have been someone else watching from the chair.

I now have a quiet confidence and carry myself as if I expect to make that shot. Not arrogance, just self assured. If I don't make the shot I'll try and pinpoint what the problem is and work at not repeating it.

As far as having a break-n-run put on me? I'll say "nice out". If they got help from every square inch of that table to make it then usually I'll say something comical to make conversation. I won't say nice out since we both know that probably only happens one or two times a month.

As the other posts stated if you do your job when it's your turn you should be receiving more compliments than giving them.
 
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