Phenolic: Just a plethora of questions from the ignorant

rkim99

rkim99

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Okay this question may have been asked before, so I apologize if I'm wasting space here.

However, I just acquired a phenolic tipped shaft, was about to take my willard's tool to it and suddenly all these questions popped into my head. Not knowing what to do, I decided the best thing would be to put them in your heads.

What exactly is phenolic?

What are the supposed advantages?

Can you still put english on the ball?

Is there any point to chalkingshaping/roughing a phenolic tip?

I know it's supposed to increase the power of my break, but there is where my understanding ends.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rich
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What exactly is phenolic?

From wiki ...

Phenolic resin can include any of various synthetic thermosetting resins such as Bakelite, obtained by the reaction of phenols with simple aldehydes and used to make molded products, including pool and snooker balls, and as coatings and adhesives. See phenol formaldehyde resin for a fuller discussion of the chemistry.

The properties of phenolic materials make them very well suited to myriad industrial applications. Phenolics are the result of polymerization between resin and a base material that can be paper, glass or cotton. The base material used is dependent upon the intended application of the finished product. Paper phenolics are used in the manufacturing of electrical components such as punch-through boards and house hold Laminates. Glass phenolics are particularly well suited for use in the high speed bearing market.

Bakelite is made from phenolic resin

Richlite is made from phenolic resin and paper.​

What are the supposed advantages?

harder hit, better energy transfer???​

Can you still put english on the ball?

Properly chalked, yes​

Is there any point to chalkingshaping/roughing a phenolic tip?

yes, if you don't want to miscue. You definitely want to maintain the tip to make sure it will hold some chalk. It's easier to miscue with phenolic tip.​
 
Phenolic . . .

Jazz said:
What exactly is phenolic?

From wiki ...

Phenolic resin can include any of various synthetic thermosetting resins such as Bakelite, obtained by the reaction of phenols with simple aldehydes and used to make molded products, including pool and snooker balls, and as coatings and adhesives. See phenol formaldehyde resin for a fuller discussion of the chemistry.

The properties of phenolic materials make them very well suited to myriad industrial applications. Phenolics are the result of polymerization between resin and a base material that can be paper, glass or cotton. The base material used is dependent upon the intended application of the finished product. Paper phenolics are used in the manufacturing of electrical components such as punch-through boards and house hold Laminates. Glass phenolics are particularly well suited for use in the high speed bearing market.

Bakelite is made from phenolic resin

Richlite is made from phenolic resin and paper.​

What are the supposed advantages?

harder hit, better energy transfer???​

Can you still put english on the ball?

Properly chalked, yes​

Is there any point to chalkingshaping/roughing a phenolic tip?

yes, if you don't want to miscue. You definitely want to maintain the tip to make sure it will hold some chalk. It's easier to miscue with phenolic tip.​
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Thank you very much, Jazz. Was beginning to think everyone wanted to keep it a secret from me. ;-)
 
I didn't know phenolic tips were shapable. Puts a new light on my feeling about my phenolic break cues.
 
JimS said:
I didn't know phenolic tips were shapable. Puts a new light on my feeling about my phenolic break cues.
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You need one of this!!! Now can I have the wrapless SW, pretty please????

I used to have one before case goblin took it ... could never find one until I saw before listing on eBay. This thing is really good for tip scuffing. Although I don't use this to shape, I do use it for scuffing. And it can scuff anything including phenolic tips.

My understanding is that this material is used in European furniture industry.

And, Joe Nielson is a great seller. I got mine very fast.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250275514641

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I shaped my tip to a nickel instead of a quarter (using an ultimate tip tool) and it plays pretty well (as long as you have good control.) The reason I did this is so I could apply english better on jump shots. I also scuff it occasionally to make it hold more chalk.
 
I usually use 220 grit to scuff the tip once shaped. I use 80 grit to shape it to a nickel radius, you don't want a dime shape on phenolic. Dime shape reduces the contact surface of tip-CB!

With a straight stroke, you CAN play with a well scuffed and chalked phenolic tip, not the same effects on the CB as a leather tip, but you can get CB control. (I don't recommend this though)

Zim
 
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