Pia Filler hates wood shafts

It's resistant to minor dings. If you hit one too hard or just the wrong way, it breaks or chips and repairs are not straight forward or guaranteed to work. It probably shouldn't happen if you are careful with your cue, but it can happen. I guess the cue being solid has value if you chuck it in the trunk after playing or play in bars etc. It can also have some value to a pro that has to travel a lot with the cue from humid to dry environments, probably. If you fly from Nevada to the Phillipines then to Germany and China, it's good to know the shaft won't warp.

I'm not a world beater at this game and I never will be. The enjoyment is in the playing, hitting the ball sweetly and getting that great feeling you get when you hit the ball just right and the cue makes that wonderful sound and gives you a nice feel in the hand. The soulless, hollow "thunk" or "plink" from a carbon cue just doesn't deliver that for me. Most people playing carbon tend to use soft tips, to mitigate the horrible feel and sound, and that's just the opposite of what I prefer. The lousy feedback also robs me of information about how I'm hitting the ball as a bad stroke feels no different to a perfect one. I feel it's harder to stay on top of my game with carbon.
Filler seems to be doing just fine playing with CF.

Champions win with CF or Wood.

Wood shafts are a lot more work than CF.

CF so easy to maintain.........
 
I see about as many CF shafts and wood shafts in my shop, so they are far from indestructible. If you go back and listen to the original promo video Predator made for the Revo line of shafts, Pia is basically just parroting those claims, so this is nothing more than marketing in a more personal form. The constant comparison to tennis rackets, golf clubs and hockey sticks is a bit dishonest, as none of these pieces of sports equipment have a high focus on feel and feedback. I think a more fair comparison would be instruments where feel is essential and if you have a look there, Carbon fiber has made very little inroads in the music instrument market..
If you prefer wood or carbon fiber, they both have advantages and disadvantages, saying categorically that one is better like Pia (and Predator) does is just not true. It really depends on what features you emphasis.
You make some good points in reference to tennis and golf. Those sports have ever-present metrics like serve speed and swing or ball speed, which must be on some constant albeit gentle upward trajectory over time. No comparable metric in pool exists. Break speed has been measured but we know it's much less meaningful than those in tennis or golf.
 
That has not been my experience.

I used to go crazy steaming out dings in wood shafts.

You can always feel little imperfections where the ding was.

CF is super smooth.

Put some water in a cup, microwave it to boiling, dip a Q-tip in and apply to the ding.

Viola.

Lou Figueroa
beware super heating the water
because it can explode
 
That has not been my experience.

I used to go crazy steaming out dings in wood shafts.

You can always feel little imperfections where the ding was.

CF is super smooth.
My experience aligns with Lou's (although our techniques differ). Perhaps your personal ding removal technique needs refinement.
 
Some shafts are so dinged up you have to take greater measures.
I can see that with house cues, but I typically remove dings from my personal shafts within a few hours of each ding. That way, dings don't accumulate. Personally, a ding on an otherwise smooth shaft feels like a huge crater, so its removal is very high priority once I leave the pool room.
 
I can see that with house cues, but I typically remove dings from my personal shafts within a few hours of each ding. That way, dings don't accumulate. Personally, a ding on an otherwise smooth shaft feels like a huge crater, so its removal is very high priority once I leave the pool room.
You would be amazed at some of the shafts people play with. Just today I put a tip on a shaft that felt like a french tickler. I always try and clean and smooth the shafts when I put tips on and charge a few dollars more but people seem to appreciate it. Lots of comments on the shaft and very few on the tips.
 
You would be amazed at some of the shafts people play with. Just today I put a tip on a shaft that felt like a french tickler. I always try and clean and smooth the shafts when I put tips on and charge a few dollars more but people seem to appreciate it. Lots of comments on the shaft and very few on the tips.
I can believe it. I've encountered a lot of bangers and, to a lesser extent, newer players who have been led to believe that sandpaper is the best way to keep a shaft clean and smooth. Their approach to shaft maintenance is clearly suboptimal.
 
Pia can be Pia, but as for mea, I play with carbon. Predator 12.4 Revo. Less muss and fuss, thus my decision. I also have a Revo on my break and on my jump for consistency. I would much rather do drills on a nine footer for an hour than talk about cues for an hour.
 
I am amazed by all the concern for dings in wood shafts. Are people using them for sword fights between games? I have had 2 dings to repair in the last 10 years. Both dings were easily removed in a very few minutes.
I value my equipment and certainly don’t mind keeping it clean and in good condition.
Carbon fiber is great for some people, but not the favorite of all people. My only fear is that someday there won’t be a chance to still get a good wood shaft, and that will be a sad day. I fear that marketing “facts” are being taken too seriously by some players. I wish I had a dollar for every new player I see using carbon fiber, and who hasn’t hit a shot that wasn’t center ball in his/her life. Does carbon fiber make playing easier for everyone? Of course not, but some are able to utilize the lower deflection and some are not. Is carbon fiber “that much better” than a low deflection wood or Kiel wood shaft? Doesn’t matter because it only matters if you are smart enough to compensate correctly for what you use, and we all have to compensate. There are no winners or losers in this argument, find what works for you. Don’t be like the beginners that think they can ONLY play with what some marketers are telling/selling them.
 
I think this is the first time hearing this argument against using wood shafts. I have been thinking for a while of switching from my Revo to a 314 shaft so I can get more feedback. Maybe even keilwood. But apparently wood shafts play different depending on humidity. Humidity changes depending on the season and geo location. I mean humidity changes a lot all the time, like a rainy day. I would rather not add another inconsistency to playing pool if there is any truth to what she is saying?

Why wouldn't she hate wood? Playing with wood is like still using Nokia flash old phones today because you dislike how the smartphones/iphones look.

There's zero advantage to playing with wood as opposed to playing with a CF, in fact playing with a CF will ultimately advances your levels by at least 20% to 30% from where you've started...i.e. the lower level you are the higher you would feel the jump, if you're already a high level player your jump isnt as severe but it is a more consistant jump still.

We've discussed this or at least I did in a whole another thread, I aint gona start the argument again from the wood lovers and those who go by "OH BUT BUT I HATE THE SOUND OF CF" -- BS excuse.


Go back and use these please, because you like how they feel

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I am amazed by all the concern for dings in wood shafts. Are people using them for sword fights between games? I have had 2 dings to repair in the last 10 years. Both dings were easily removed in a very few minutes.
I value my equipment and certainly don’t mind keeping it clean and in good condition.
There's also freeing up the mental real estate and not worrying about your cue. I can move balls around with the cue without being dainty, worrying about it, and still checking it later. If the cue gets knocked over, no concern.

And that's in addition to less general maintenance, less worrying about warpage, and staying smoother longer.
 
There's also freeing up the mental real estate and not worrying about your cue. I can move balls around with the cue without being dainty, worrying about it, and still checking it later. If the cue gets knocked over, no concern.

And that's in addition to less general maintenance, less worrying about warpage, and staying smoother longer.
Sounds like you need a rake instead of a cue.

You can’t worry less about warpage, if you aren’t worrying in the first place.
 
There's also freeing up the mental real estate and not worrying about your cue. I can move balls around with the cue without being dainty, worrying about it, and still checking it later. If the cue gets knocked over, no concern.

And that's in addition to less general maintenance, less worrying about warpage, and staying smoother longer.
I'm just the opposite, I worry far more about doing something irrepairable with cf than I do with wood.
 
At first I thought feedback might just be unnecessary noise in the palm. But now I'm starting to think it is brain trigger.

Carbon is good for beginners but I see most newbies shooting with wood, and I've never seen one bring a measle ball to the hall. I don't even think beginners know what the point of a measle ball is.

Anyway, I actually think Pia is full of shat, but how can the worlds best couple shooters be ill advised. No doubt they are adjusting to a soft hit on rainy days or whatever the difference in humidity is in China. But somewhere along the way they said fk it. I don't have to adapt with Carbon Fiber.
CF is better in 2 things compared to wood and 1 of them could be equal, CF shafts play more consistent than wood for one simple reason, you will never get 2 pieces of wood exactly alike, as the wood wears it will change, it may take years for it to happen but it will happen, Not all CF shafts are created equal, some are foam filled tubes some are spun with different thicknesses to create a repeatable consistent hit, the Becue Prime II shaft has the perfect blend of feedback and transfer of power to me, MOST CF shafts transfer the power of your stroke more efficiently, there are wood shafts that equal a CF shaft in transfer of power but are fewer in number and can't be manufactured to do so, I have 2 of these shafts with the same tip and they play exactly alike, if a tip came off in the middle a tournament or money match knowing you can screw on your other shaft and not have to make adjustments helps keep you focused on your match, if you are a player that has been playing with the same wood cue for 20 or 30 years and you play at a high level with your cue then I wouldn't change to any other cue, CF or wood, I'm using Bulletproof Recoil tips too, they are synthetic, I know a guy who has been using LePro tips over 30 years, if it's been working for you for that long why change......
 
You can play with any cue and shaft.
Top players have done so for decades.

But, It doesn’t mean that just because something has been done for years, you shouldn’t embrace new things that are better and make life and playing pool easier. Or at least give it a good solid try before making up your mind and throw baseless facts in the air.

Most people don’t give anything a fair try, you might think that running a few racks is enough or setting up a few shots to make a solid opinion, But all you do is letting everything that you are used to, take over.
Play with a good CF shaft for 3-6 months, the. Go back to what you were used to, only then, you’ll know what works best for you.
Play with keilwood shaft for 3-6 month and again, go nack to what you were used to.
Same for every piece of equipment.

CF is the future, might as well get used to it.
This not for collectors, this is for players.
I think that kielwood is a hype that will pass, doesn’t come close to CF in performance. It’s just pretty…
If you are 75 years old and have enough wooden shaft to last until you’re dead, that’s fine, but that’s just being a grumpy old man, got nothing to do with pool.
Yes, there are pros that still use wood and prefer wood, that’s fine, they are just delaying the inevitable and prefer not to put in the time to get used to it.
I'm using CF but I'm not anti wood, there are so many body types, speed of strokes, heights,weights ect. so there is no one "right" cue for everyone, if you play well with your cue and that cue makes you feel like you don't want another cue then you've found your cue, if you like your cue but don't think it's perfect for you, keep searching, there's one out there for you.......
 
I think this is the first time hearing this argument against using wood shafts. I have been thinking for a while of switching from my Revo to a 314 shaft so I can get more feedback. Maybe even keilwood. But apparently wood shafts play different depending on humidity. Humidity changes depending on the season and geo location. I mean humidity changes a lot all the time, like a rainy day. I would rather not add another inconsistency to playing pool if there is any truth to what she is saying?


Just get a Whyte Carbon (by Triple 60). Has amazing feel, and amazing power, in my opinion. Love that shaft so much. A friend let me use one, during a tournament, one night, for a few hours, and it was really a game changer for me. The Deflection felt ultra low (Like Zero deflection, it seemed), and the feel / hit was amazing, and the Power was really amazing.

Yeah, I can understand why she hates wooden shafts, lol.
 
Just get a Whyte Carbon (by Triple 60). Has amazing feel, and amazing power, in my opinion. Love that shaft so much. A friend let me use one, during a tournament, one night, for a few hours, and it was really a game changer for me. The Deflection felt ultra low (Like Zero deflection, it seemed), and the feel / hit was amazing, and the Power was really amazing.

Yeah, I can understand why she hates wooden shafts, lol.

Some of this is probably in your head. The lowest deflection CF shafts don't have significantly different deflection from modern wood shafts (like those of Predator).
 
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