Pics of 9-pointed cues

[JimBo]

Hi Jimbo,

I don't know too much about cue-making, so pray tell, what kind of a cue did I describe? I also do not recall a thread on this, perhaps you can tell me about it, or show me the link.

I see that the other guys in this thread seem to know what I mean...and besides, it was the cuemaker who suggested a 9-point cue to me. When I told him I wasn't exactly sure what it was, he described it to me and I just posted his explanation.

These are recut points, some guys do them closer to the first point as a way to get a veneered look, some like SW are much smaller and they do call them 9 points, but to me that's a 6 point cue with 3 recuts. It really gets more confusing if you look at a Mike Bender 4,000 point cue (that's a joke you may not get). I guess it's just semantics, I also knew what you meant, just disagree with the terminology. BTW stop beating around the bush and let us know what cuemaker you are going to use for your SW knockoff.

Jim

 

[raemondo]

These are recut points, some guys do them closer to the first point as a way to get a veneered look, some like SW are much smaller and they do call them 9 points, but to me that's a 6 point cue with 3 recuts. It really gets more confusing if you look at a Mike Bender 4,000 point cue (that's a joke you may not get). I guess it's just semantics, I also knew what you meant, just disagree with the terminology. BTW stop beating around the bush and let us know what cuemaker you are going to use for your SW knockoff.

Jim

Hahaha Jimbo,

thanks for the info.

The cuemaker is Ed Young.

 

[raemondo]

The third one is Amboyna with holly.
The bottom half of gallery 4 is all recuts and all of gallery 5. The closer the cuts the more accurate you have to be. It's amazing how much it stands out the closer you go.
Sometimes when you mix recuts with veneers the wider cut looks nice because it really seperates the points to make the actual work stand out.

Thanks Michael for the info.

 

[buddha162]

BTW stop beating around the bush and let us know what cuemaker you are going to use for your SW knockoff.

Get'm Jimbo! Lol!

-Roger (it's only a point if it juts into the forearm, by itself...everything that happens inside a true point is a veneer, a recut veneer, or an inlay. End of discussion.)

 

[Mystick Cue Fan]

Hahaha Jimbo,

thanks for the info.

The cuemaker is Ed Young.

Won't be too much of a knockoff then will it?

 

[raemondo]

Won't be too much of a knockoff then will it?

Yea, I don't think so either.

Ed might not like it too much if I called his cues SW knockoffs....plus he also told me that DPK will be working on the cue as well. When we were talking about rings, he said I could have either Ed's rings or DPK rings...and when I asked him if he meant SW rings, he snorted something like yea, well, SW rings are DPK's rings.

 

[raemondo]

Get'm Jimbo! Lol!

-Roger (it's only a point if it juts into the forearm, by itself...everything that happens inside a true point is a veneer, a recut veneer, or an inlay. End of discussion.)

Yea this really seems like the vein of what you guys are getting at. Thanks.

 

[Jerry Yost]

9Point Cue

These are recut points, some guys do them closer to the first point as a way to get a veneered look, some like SW are much smaller and they do call them 9 points, but to me that's a 6 point cue with 3 recuts. It really gets more confusing if you look at a Mike Bender 4,000 point cue (that's a joke you may not get). I guess it's just semantics, I also knew what you meant, just disagree with the terminology. BTW stop beating around the bush and let us know what cuemaker you are going to use for your SW knockoff.

Jim

Jim,
Have you ever seen or heard of a true 9point cue?

 

[JimBo]

Jim,
Have you ever seen or heard of a true 9point cue?

I was trying to think if I have, I have seen hundreds of 8 pointers and Edwin reyes has created some 7 and 11 pointers, I have seen a few SW 12 pointers (which BTW are not like the fake 9 pointers). I am not sure that I ever have, at least not in the true sence of the word, I may have seen some type of new age floating point thing. Maybe Skins has come up with some design with 9 floaty things that they call points??

Jim

 

[JimBo]

Get'm Jimbo! Lol!

-Roger (it's only a point if it juts into the forearm, by itself...everything that happens inside a true point is a veneer, a recut veneer, or an inlay. End of discussion.)

I think I agree with this definition.

Jim

 

[Michael Webb]

Is a glass of water half empty or half full?????????????????????????

 

[JimBo]

Is a glass of water half empty or half full?????????????????????????

As a cuemaker what's your opinion.
If you use a recut to give the appearance of a veneer is it another point.
If the recut is much smaller and lower in the point does it matter??


Jim <---Just wonderin

 

[Michael Webb]

As a cuemaker what's your opinion.
If you use a recut to give the appearance of a veneer is it another point.
If the recut is much smaller and lower in the point does it matter??


Jim <---Just wonderin

Based on actual work, It matters a great deal.

 

[buddha162]

Based on actual work, It matters a great deal.

I think it depends on perspective. For me, "points" on a cue usually denote a visual description and not the building method. Someone says 12 pointer I think 6 up/6 down, or 12 skinny points into the forearm...NOT a 4 pointer with recut veneers.

In the end, I think to the educated buyer/enthusiast the terms "recut" or "remilled" should be sufficient to describe the amount of work involved, without having to call every recut veneer a separate point.

-Roger

 

[Michael Webb]

I think it depends on perspective. For me, "points" on a cue usually denote a visual description and not the building method. Someone says 12 pointer I think 6 up/6 down, or 12 skinny points into the forearm...NOT a 4 pointer with recut veneers.

In the end, I think to the educated buyer/enthusiast the terms "recut" or "remilled" should be sufficient to describe the amount of work involved, without having to call every recut veneer a separate point.

-Roger

I'll split this with you and say we are both right. On recuts, I would say maybe 20 percent of this forum understand them.

 

[JimBo]

Based on actual work, It matters a great deal.

Don't skate the question Mike. Again I agree with Budah on his terms.
As he said it's not about construction, I mean let's be serious nobody is honest about that.
So in the end the terms are discriptions and they really need to be consistant so we know What the hell each other is talking about.
4 points, some call it 4 prongs all the same.
So in this case as far as I can tell we are talking about a 6 point cue 3H3L with 3 Recuts in the H points. And not 9 equal points, again something that may or may not even exist.
But the point is I was asking you what *Your* defifnition was?

Jim

 

[Michael Webb]

Don't skate the question Mike. Again I agree with Budah on his terms.
As he said it's not about construction, I mean let's be serious nobody is honest about that.
So in the end the terms are discriptions and they really need to be consistant so we know What the hell each other is talking about.
4 points, some call it 4 prongs all the same.
So in this case as far as I can tell we are talking about a 6 point cue 3H3L with 3 Recuts in the H points. And not 9 equal points, again something that may or may not even exist.
But the point is I was asking you what *Your* definition was?

Jim

On my side of the fence it's all about the construction and I educate people about it on a daily basis. So seeing you won't let me compromise, I will stick to the fact that if the point is remilled or recut it is what it is. 4 recuts times 4 points in the forearm is in all actuality a 20 point cue. A full VENEER is two separate pieces of wood joined, a POINT is one continuous piece of wood recut or remilled to accept the next hardwood chosen. I just can't look at it any other way. I just have to much respect for the actual work being done.

 

[JimBo]

On my side of the fence it's all about the construction and I educate people about it on a daily basis. So seeing you won't let me compromise, I will stick to the fact that if the point is remilled or recut it is what it is. 4 recuts times 4 points in the forearm is in all actuality a 20 point cue. A full VENEER is two separate pieces of wood joined, a POINT is one continuous piece of wood recut or remilled to accept the next hardwood chosen. I just can't look at it any other way. I just have to much respect for the actual work being done.

I guess it's the written word coming across poorly or just a lack of comprehension on your end. I am not bashing the work at all, just looking for a definition. I understand what goes into it Mike believe me I do (I think you know this). But to me it's still 4 points with 4 recuts and not a 16 point cue. I am in no way making light of what it takes to do, just trying to nail down consistent terminology, all part of education IMO.

Jim

 

[zeeder]

I guess it's the written word coming across poorly or just a lack of comprehension on your end. I am not bashing the work at all, just looking for a definition. I understand what goes into it Mike believe me I do (I think you know this). But to me it's still 4 points with 4 recuts and not a 16 point cue. I am in no way making light of what it takes to do, just trying to nail down consistent terminology, all part of education IMO.

Jim

I personally prefer the x points w/ y recuts nomenclature but 4 recuts would be a 20 pointer with Mike's definition. You forgot the first point as it's not a recut!

 

[Michael Webb]

I guess it's the written word coming across poorly or just a lack of comprehension on your end. I am not bashing the work at all, just looking for a definition. I understand what goes into it Mike believe me I do (I think you know this). But to me it's still 4 points with 4 recuts and not a 16 point cue. I am in no way making light of what it takes to do, just trying to nail down consistent terminology, all part of education IMO.

Jim

I know you do but as long as people percieve things differently, It will always be looked at differently. I didn't appreciate it totally until I started doing them consistantly. I do the recut not the remill but I sure do wish I had a miller sometimes instead of screwing up the whole forearm when I screw up.