Platinum Billiards and Pivot Points

Cornerman

Cue Author...Sometimes
Silver Member
I've been scratching my head over why the pivot point numbers on the Platinum Billiard site don't jibe with most other measured pivot point numbers that have been tossed around the net for the past 10 years. It's because the working definition on the site is different than what has been previously discussed.

From Platinum Billiards:

" Pivot Point - A cue's pivot point is the bridge length at which you can hit the cue ball off center and still hit the one ball dead center. "

This isn't what I refer to as the pivot point, nor is it what the pivot point defined in Bob Jewett's FAQ:

From the FAQ:

" For each cue stick, there is a particular length of bridge for
which you can aim straight at a close object ball and then pivot
about your bridge hand and shoot straight through the new line and
hit the object ball full. "

and

" For a long pivot length, the bridge is too long to be a comfortable
pivot. Arrange to have the pivot over the rail, and use your back
hand to hold the stick at the pivot while the bridge hand moves.
An alternative is to slide the bridge hand forward after the pivot
to a more comfortable bridge length.
Take care to keep the stick
aligned in the new direction."


The pivot point for many of us who have discussed pivot points ad nauseum is a pivot length, not a bridge length. Whether or not that bridge length coincides with the pivot length has no bearing on the pivot point itself. The second paragraph on the FAQ is pretty clear on this. Some sticks have a pivot length too long to be a comfortable bridge.

The magenta bold-faced section is exactly what I do.

This is easier shown than explained, but in other words, the working definition on Platinum is incorrect IMO and has been a point of confusion.

The pivot points for Predators and other very low squirt cues is well over 30" on every one that I've tested.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
[...]
From Platinum Billiards:

" Pivot Point - A cue's pivot point is the bridge length at which you can hit the cue ball off center and still hit the one ball dead center. "

This isn't what I refer to as the pivot point, nor is it what the pivot point defined in Bob Jewett's FAQ: [...]

This is easier shown than explained, but in other words, the working definition on Platinum is incorrect IMO and has been a point of confusion.

The pivot points for Predators and other very low squirt cues is well over 30" on every one that I've tested.

[...]

I agree with predator's being over 30 inches.

But I don't understand how you think Platinum's definition is different from the others. Isn't the fact that it's sometimes awkward to actually bridge at that length irrelevant? What am I missing?

mike page
fargo
 
mikepage said:
I agree with predator's being over 30 inches.

But I don't understand how you think Platinum's definition is different from the others. Isn't the fact that it's sometimes awkward to actually bridge at that length irrelevant? What am I missing?

mike page
fargo

It seems as if they're simply bridging at that point and doing a parallel shift. Bridging as opposed to doing any pivoting.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
It seems as if they're simply bridging at that point and doing a parallel shift. Bridging as opposed to doing any pivoting.

Fred

I don't think the description you quoted implies parallel shift, although I admit it's not very clearly worded. If it's truly a parallel shift, then bridge length is totally irrelevant, and they'd be putting up totally arbitrary numbers as "pivot points". I think they're doing exactly what you're doing to find pivot point, i.e. lining up center-ball and then pivoting for english, except they don't mention moving the bridge back to a reasonable length after the pivot. If they're using an automated test rig, they may not need to move the bridge back up to get a precise stroke.

-Andrew
 
Here is the page with pivot lengths listed alongside deflection:
http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php
Shafts are mostly rated at between 8 inches (higher deflection) and 12 inches (low deflection).

I'm curious to what speed they are testing at.

My own cue, using the method of hitting onto an OB a diamond away, with a slow hit measures around 30 inches. (The slow hit transfers a lot more SIT) and I also believes squirts less. The the SIT is the biggest factor here.

Hitting the same shot very firm (SIT starts to become low significance) my pivot point measurement on the same test drifts towards similar numbers to those above.
 
Everyday I shoot long shots with english using my Predator 314 shaft by aiming dead center, then moving my front hand left/right (keeping backhand still) and the cue ball goes to the same place as a center hit.

So it seems to me my pivot point is way back at the butt where I grip it. Works for me!
 
Cornerman said:
It seems as if they're simply bridging at that point and doing a parallel shift. Bridging as opposed to doing any pivoting.

Fred
If it were done using a parallel shift (parallel english), I wouldn't expect any differences from altering the brige point. 5" should give the same result as 35".

Perhaps the results were obtained from just a couple of tests, and the rest of the numbers extrapolated from the squirt data.:confused:
 
Billy_Bob said:
Everyday I shoot long shots with english using my Predator 314 shaft by aiming dead center, then moving my front hand left/right (keeping backhand still) and the cue ball goes to the same place as a center hit.

So it seems to me my pivot point is way back at the butt where I grip it. Works for me!


Works for U because U don't know any better :rolleyes:

Brian
 
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