Play or be a rail bird ?

CocoboloCowboy

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At what point when you know you have ZERO CHANCE of placing in the money. Do you refrain from tournament play?

My comfort zone is "C" Events. Maximum entry fee is $5.00-10.00. That is my comfort zone, and as Arizona has a Rating System of a 4 to 10 Minus Two.

Sevens and under is my comfort zone, that boiled down to weak "b's & c's".

I once played in "9" & under. Racking was no fun, and in 7 or was it 8 game I recall getting like three total shots.

What your comfort zone?
 
At what point when you know you have ZERO CHANCE of placing in the money. Do you refrain from tournament play?

My comfort zone is "C" Events. Maximum entry fee is $5.00-10.00. That is my comfort zone, and as Arizona has a Rating System of a 4 to 10 Minus Two.

Sevens and under is my comfort zone, that boiled down to weak "b's & c's".

I once played in "9" & under. Racking was no fun, and in 7 or was it 8 game I recall getting like three total shots.

What your comfort zone?

I'm never a rail bird. No matter what even if you lose it's a learning experience so it just boils down to how much you want to spend on the lesson.
 
So your comfort zone is easier than mine. Everyone has a differnet comfort zone. If we were all alike life would be boring.
 
no shame in being both a player, when you feel comfortable, and being a railbird, too. unless you are a world beater, we are all railbirds from time to time.
 
Dear Cocobolo Cowboy,

Many, many, many years ago there was a straight pool tournament on black-and-white television. It had several of the legends in it, such as Irving Crane. The tournament went on for several weeks, and it was won by a then-unknown player named Frank McGowan. In the interview at the end, the commentator asked the severe underdog McGowan how surprised he was that he had beaten all these great players. McGowan calmly replied, “I don’t get in any pool tournaments I don’t expect to win.” I have remembered that all my life, and frequently violated it. But as I have gotten older, I have shied away from being “dead money.” I do not think it is fun getting steamrollered by a far superior player, and I do not believe it helps your game. In fact, most sports psychologists will tell you to follow Frank McGowan’s philosophy.

That being said, pool is still the only sport in which a rank amateur can buy his way into a major tournament. Could you imagine being able to play in the upcoming British Open golf tournament by just showing up at the course and paying a modest entry fee. My non-pool-playing friends are always shocked when I mention to them that I am going to play in a tournament in Vegas. They say, “You must be really good.” My answer, completely truthful, is, “They don’t ask you if you can play. They only ask if you have three hundred dollars.”

Some of my friends find some sort of “souvenir value” in having played a famous player. I do not. I love having seen the best pool players of three generations having played, but I never wanted to win the local tournament and get to play Mosconi in the exhibition. I knew what was going to happen in the exhibition. I was much happier watching from afar, like standing on a cliff and watching a ship sink in a distant storm. I had no desire to be in the undertow.

I think you would be better off by far to take the entry money, the “dead money,” that you would invest in playing in a tournament you can’t win and doing one of two things with it. Either find some player who is only one or two notches superior to you and seeing if he would play you some games cheap, or investing the money in instruction from a qualified instructor. When I played golf, I played seldom but I occasionally took a lesson. My friends would buy new clubs and hit buckets of balls. I improved more than they did by going to a course pro and having him help me on the practise tee occasionally. For as little as I played, I played fairly well, on a social level. If there is a pool teaching pro who can do for you what that public golf course pro did for me in golf, run to him and give him that dead money.
 
i have played in a few local tournaments loaded with strong players that i basically go 2 and out in. yea you might get some value watching people run out on you in between you racking for them.

you can also see the same level of play....or higher in most cases from the comfort of your home on you tube.

that said we have an upcoming tournament that will be drawing the best players from other parts besides the strong ones we have here.

i plan on doing a lot of racking and hopefully pick up some tid bits here and there.:grin-square:
 
Id rather come in second to a great player, the be in first among the shitty players...

You don't get better playing bums... you just stay with the bums...
 
At what point when you know you have ZERO CHANCE of placing in the money. Do you refrain from tournament play?

My comfort zone is "C" Events. Maximum entry fee is $5.00-10.00. That is my comfort zone, and as Arizona has a Rating System of a 4 to 10 Minus Two.

Sevens and under is my comfort zone, that boiled down to weak "b's & c's".

I once played in "9" & under. Racking was no fun, and in 7 or was it 8 game I recall getting like three total shots.

What your comfort zone?

The fact is, you would have no field at all if the only players who played were those who could actually win. There is not much money to be won in most pool tournaments anyway. Many enter for other reasons then the prize money. If you use that logic then there are a lot of winners in every tournament far beyond the few dollars the winner got.
 
True, if you are at least close to their level, then go for it. But a C-player in the US open for instance, is just silly. There is nothing more honorable about being completely outclassed than by prevailing in a tournament close to your speed. One doesn't have to even try to go 2 and out, at least he has to play well to win, even in a sxxxxy little pool room tournament. An A-player could probably learn a lot, on the other hand from playing the pros and is at a level of development were learning from their example is easier.

Well... yes, but that's a bit of a stretch in comparison to what Cowboy was describing.

Example... I play in a local tournament every Tuesday that has a really tough field. 2 US Open Players play in it regularly, one of which cashed in the open last year. When Pros are in town, they play in it. Mike Davis was a regular there for a while.

I took second in one time. Took third and fourth a few times. Id sooner play in this then some random bar tournament with nobodies.

Edit to add: It's also about the entry fee. US Open is 1000 bucks, previously 500. Both of those numbers are enough to make you have a realistic estimation of your speed to see if you have a shot at getting that money back. Cowboy said 5 or 10 bucks... 5 or 10 bucks I would play in it even if all the players are pros. Hell every Tuesday I am paying 33 bucks (25 entry fee, 8 dollars in tolls) to play in the one I like and half the time I am not cashing and getting that back. But where else am I going to be able to play players of that caliber and get their best (or close to it) game for that money?
 
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I'm an awful player, in the scheme of things. I have no business playing in anything higher level than an APA tourney.

That having been said, if it was a low enough entry fee ($10-$20) and I could manage the time away from work and family obligations, I would very likely play against anyone, just for the experience. Any more money than that gets out of my comfort zone for disposable play money. I wish that wasn't the case, but that's where I am these days...
 
At what point when you know you have ZERO CHANCE of placing in the money. Do you refrain from tournament play?

My comfort zone is "C" Events. Maximum entry fee is $5.00-10.00. That is my comfort zone, and as Arizona has a Rating System of a 4 to 10 Minus Two.

Sevens and under is my comfort zone, that boiled down to weak "b's & c's".

I once played in "9" & under. Racking was no fun, and in 7 or was it 8 game I recall getting like three total shots.

What your comfort zone?

My comfort zone is based upon whether I feel like I have a chance to control the table given the opportunity in a match. Being dead money is never fun and at times can tend to drain one's excitement for the game if you're unable to put yourself in a position to win games. One just needs to be honest with yourself and put yourself in situations where the experience is enjoyable and (in the ideal situation) still allowing you to progress with your game. It is possible to be competitive, but realize that you're not likely to get into the money depending on the level of play in your area.
 
At what point when you know you have ZERO CHANCE of placing in the money. Do you refrain from tournament play?

My comfort zone is "C" Events. Maximum entry fee is $5.00-10.00. That is my comfort zone, and as Arizona has a Rating System of a 4 to 10 Minus Two.

Sevens and under is my comfort zone, that boiled down to weak "b's & c's".

I once played in "9" & under. Racking was no fun, and in 7 or was it 8 game I recall getting like three total shots.

What your comfort zone?


You can't run with the BIG DOGS if you stay on the porch with the puppies ;)
 
no shame in being both a player, when you feel comfortable, and being a railbird, too. unless you are a world beater, we are all railbirds from time to time.

This is one of the smartest, most common sense posts I have seen on AZB Forum in a long time.:wink: You get GREEN.:wink:
 
You can't run with the BIG DOGS if you stay on the porch with the puppies ;)

I have zero desired to run with the big dog as you said any longer. At eighteen I was willing to risk life, and limb to be part of a unique military unit.

Many wanted to be, but few had the physical, mental, or mindset to endure what it took to achieve the goal many shot for but few achieved.

There come a point in smart people lives where they figure out your body, your mind, or you age keeps you from doing what you once could.

Had a very good friend who was LAPD SWAT, was forced into retirement at fourth-two after several duty injuries. Plus a few back surgeries that failed to fix his on the job injuries.

Five years after he retired he got in a tif in a restaurant with some 20 something kid. Gary my friend came out the looser, and saw the light he was not what he once was.

Some big dog who could take on any punk & win, Gary was just a puppy who decided to simmer down, not get in no more fights., enjoy his pension, let other deal with ah**e punks.
 
There was a 16 year old kid one year way back at Johnston city. True story....
Kieth Thompson, came to watch...wound up playing....wound up winning the 9ball event.
Ofcourse...Some said he " got lucky", had a "soft draw" in the field, or was in on a "dumping the bookies "conspiracy. .......point is..
Wether all or none of that was true....NO ONE would've ever heard about him if he sat there drinking soadie pop and picking his arse.


Personally,
I spend 45 hrs a week being the railbird.
And its been quite a while but i would be comfortable playing in any open amateur /a/b/c/d event on 9footers. The 50-80$ entry fee stuff.
I think if i got back my motivation about tournament competion i could cash in these now that my games more consistent.
If the entry fees right id "donate" to play the pros, for the experience ofcourse. ;-)
 
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