Play perfect, and still loose.....

Jim Kuykendall said:
Closer examination will almost always reveal other minor mistakes. A bad kick, wrong side position. It's very difficult to look at your game objectively. Just MHO.

Nope never made a position error. I always got out when I got to the table, unless he played a safe. I lost because I missed 1 ball, and I don't think I made 1 ball on the breaks. I tryed breaking from everywhere, and copying what he was doing.

I was at 6-3, he had an easy combo on the 9. The next rack he had another easy combo on the 9 to make it 6-5. He breaks and runs the next one, then the final rack he makes a mistake I get to the table run the balls to the 1 ball to the 6 ball get to the 7 (very easy shot by the way) was straight in all I had to do was draw back a bit. I was on the rail (almost) so I had to jack up a bit. missed the ball. Game over!

Pool halls need punching bags in there rooms.
 
Gatz said:
This has to be the hardest game in the world. I missed 1 ball in a race to 7 (just for the table time) and lose the set up 6-3......:angry: .

I can't think of any other game in the world where you can play perfect, and still lose. You can make mistakes in many other games/sports, and still come out on top.

This game is so difficult!!!!!. I have major respect for players that can make some type of a living in this game. I can see why Fabio Patroni hit his head off of the table.

PS. I obviously didn't play perfect by missing one ball. The table was breaking very tough aswell.


Once a player is at the level that playing "perfect" is achievable it's more about playing up to your expectations vs. winning or losing (IMO):wink:
 
rossaroni said:
So what is the moral of the story? You can dog it and still win sometimes?:rolleyes: On the bright side, if you beat him 5-0, you may have lost a customer.


No lost customers here. It was a friend of mine. We've shot pool together fairly regularly for the past 5 years or so. This was the first time we bet anything. I don't even know why we did it and we probably won't do it again.
MULLY
I let him buy me a coke and called it even
 
Your right Rib. I don't mind losing if I do play good. But this one just frustrated the crap out of me
 
Gatz said:
I can't think of any other game in the world where you can play perfect, and still lose. You can make mistakes in many other games/sports, and still come out on top.

well like u said, u missed the ball so u didnt play perfect. ask cheng kuo po how he feels about missing that 2 ball in 2005.


it sucks to play well and still lose, but there are sports where making a mistake could be much worse than if u did it in pool. weight lifting...make a mistake and u might get seriously injured. auto racing...1 mistake such as missing your braking zone by 1-2 feet could result in death. or setting up the car slightly wrong and letting it bottom out in a turn could also result in death.
 
Danktrees said:
well like u said, u missed the ball so u didnt play perfect. ask cheng kuo po how he feels about missing that 2 ball in 2005.


it sucks to play well and still lose, but there are sports where making a mistake could be much worse than if u did it in pool. weight lifting...make a mistake and u might get seriously injured. auto racing...1 mistake such as missing your braking zone by 1-2 feet could result in death. or setting up the car slightly wrong and letting it bottom out in a turn could also result in death.

Yes well if you read my orignal post I stated that I didn't play perfect. Also in these sports you can still make mistakes and come out on top. I think you misunderstood what I ment.

In racing, racers make many mistakes in braking zones, hitting the apex correctly, miss shifts, change gears to early or to late, heel and toe incorrectly (if the type of racing requires it) etc...and still win. I dunno much about weight lifting but im sure there are suddle things that a weight lifter would know about that the normal person would not see as a mistake, such as incorrect form etc..

Now if you take 2 world class pool players and you lose the lag you could do nothing wrong in the whole match and lose.

PS. The 2005 Finals was littered with mistakes, not a very high class match if you ask me. Alex P vs Chang was a high quality class match. Chang missed 1 ball the whole match, and lost. Sometimes some players don't even get a chance to make a mistake lol.
 
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While I think on the same lines as many of the posts here about playing great and not mind losing, I think it also is a liability. I wish I REALLY hated losing with everything I have, but for me the performance is more important then winning.

Willie Mosconi had some great quotes about how he hated a good loser more than anything.

I"m not supporting poor sportsmanship, just showing the dichotomy of our great sport....for some it's winning.....for some it's playing great.

G.
 
Southpaw said:
all I did was dog the push shot. :rolleyes:

Southpaw

That's nothing
I was playing a little bar tourney race to two. I lost the flip and the guys runs the set out. So all I did was dog the flip:p
 
Pii said:
That's nothing
I was playing a little bar tourney race to two. I lost the flip and the guys runs the set out. So all I did was dog the flip:p

LOL race to two!!!!
 
Gatz said:
Yes well if you read my orignal post I stated that I didn't play perfect. Also in these sports you can still make mistakes and come out on top. I think you misunderstood what I ment.

thats why i said "well like u said, u missed the ball so u didnt play perfect."

Gatz said:
In racing, racers make many mistakes in braking zones, hitting the apex correctly, miss shifts, change gears to early or to late, heel and toe incorrectly (if the type of racing requires it) etc...and still win. I dunno much about weight lifting but im sure there are suddle things that a weight lifter would know about that the normal person would not see as a mistake, such as incorrect form etc..

well obviously not every mistake results in injury or death. but you chose to talk about the pool in one extreme situation where u lost even tho u only made one mistake. in this ONE instance you missed the ball and lost. i'm sure there's been a lot more sets where you've missed one ball or made a few mistakes and still won. but you were talking in extremes, if u're going to say that playing perfect in this one instance still resulted in a loss well then that can apply to other sports as well. what i am saying is that even in the most extreme case, missing a ball in pool results in a loss. it might suck to lose but at the end of the day it's just a loss. in other sports u can get seriously injured or killed as a result of 1 mistake.


Gatz said:
Now if you take 2 world class pool players and you lose the lag you could do nothing wrong in the whole match and lose.

well the lag is part of the match, unless u flip a coin, the lag determines who breaks and is down to skill. being able to gauge the table's speed and the power u put into the shot to make it as close to the rail as possible. if the other guy did it better than you, then you are either outmatched or made a mistake. but in all professional sports, one mistake or miscalculation can easily result in a loss, so i dont see what's so different about pool. if u screw up once then there is a possibility of losing.


Gatz said:
PS. The 2005 Finals was littered with mistakes, not a very high class match if you ask me. Alex P vs Chang was a high quality class match. Chang missed 1 ball the whole match, and lost. Sometimes some players don't even get a chance to make a mistake lol.

and there it is, finals was full of mistakes from both sides yet wu still won. so it's not like making a mistake will always cost u the match. in the quote above, losing the lag/making a mistake could result in a loss but this example shows how its nowhere close to a guaranteed loss. so it's not like if u make a mistake in pool u lose, more like if u make the mistake at the wrong time u'll lose. kuo was on the hill but scratched on the 2 and wu ran that rack then 4 and out to win it all. pool is like all sports, u can make mistakes but if u make it at the wrong time u lose.

your statement that "I can't think of any other game in the world where you can play perfect, and still lose. You can make mistakes in many other games/sports, and still come out on top." is somewhat inaccurate because u generalized one experience to make it apply to the sport in general. almost as if u're saying that in pool if u make 1 mistake u lose. i'm not sure how good u are but i'd venture to say that u're not as good as either wu or kuo and yet in ur own statement, they made numerous mistakes and in the end wu still won. so like any other sport, one mistake in pool can cost u the match, but also like any other sport, u can make a ton of mistakes and still come out on top.
 
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Gatz said:
LOL race to two!!!!

What's so funny?

You never played in a local bar tourney? You know the kind they have every week on a weekday and everyone has to work the next day so they can't be playing all night? Hell I played in some that were races to one!

They're not a true test of who is the best but its something to do every Tuesday at 8:00pm:D

Oh and the funny part was dogging the flip silly.
 
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