Playing "Arrogant"

LastTwo

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It's easy to talk about someone else's mistakes when you are sitting on the sidelines watching the match, and the person who's mistakes you are talking about is under the gun playing for a decent sum. Whenever I am sweating a match, I usually keep my mouth shut, because I've come to understand that when the pressure is on, sometimes many people, including myself, don't think clearly and make stupid mistakes. I'm not saying I won't comment about a certain shot, such as discussing it with a friend and pointing out other options, just to chit chat basically.

Sometimes I hear other people talking about me when I'm playing. Every once in a while I hear comments like "man he dogged it bad" after I miss a shot, or today it was "That's just poor judgement, he could have played safe". These guys who are sweating the match probably don't think that I can hear them, but usually I can. After I overheard that last comment, I told the guy that I shot it for two reasons: I have been practicing almost that exact same shot very often for the past few days and I believe I am a favorite to make it. And the other reason is that if I make the ball, I win the game because the shape is natural and the layout is easy. I ended up winning that set, and after my opponent quit, the guy asked me what I meant by being a "favorite" to make the shot that I had missed. It told him that I "let up" on my stroke before I hit the shot and that's why I missed. He said that if I was a favorite, then I would make it every time. I told him that he was wrong, and that I would make it most of the time. That time I just happened to miss. He set the shot up and told me if I made it 5 times in a row he would buy me a drink. Sure enough I got up and cinch stroked it in 5 times in a row. Afterwards I mentioned to him that I had overheard that he said he would have played safe. He demonstrated where he would have played the safe. I told him that I saw that safety before I took the shot, but I took my percentages and went for the shot. The safety was a medium-difficulty safety, and the shot was a difficult shot, but for me it was much more easy than the safety for me since I had practiced it so often. I discussed with him that I follow a principle that if the safety is just as difficult or more difficult than the shot, go for the shot. Although in reality the safety was easier than the shot, but for ME, the shot was easier than the safety. Lesson learned here for me. If you use that principle, make sure that it only applies to shots that YOU YOURSELF are high percentage/low percentage to make.
 
Well thought out LastTwo.

I often see safety's that my buddies never see...and sometimes I shoot them and sometimes I don't. Alot of it comes from my one pocket play...and sometimes it boils down to a matter of "distance" between balls being the only safety that you can pull off.

The main key you hit on was always shoot the shot that you are most comfortable playing...regardless if it's firing the ball in the hole or playing a safety. I personally am quite comfortable with side and some long table banks, even to get back into line for the runout...but some people are not as comfortable. Play to your strengths...work on your weaknesses...and by all means...PRACTICE!

Shorty
 
Shorty said:
Well thought out LastTwo.

I often see safety's that my buddies never see...and sometimes I shoot them and sometimes I don't. Alot of it comes from my one pocket play...and sometimes it boils down to a matter of "distance" between balls being the only safety that you can pull off.

The main key you hit on was always shoot the shot that you are most comfortable playing...regardless if it's firing the ball in the hole or playing a safety. I personally am quite comfortable with side and some long table banks, even to get back into line for the runout...but some people are not as comfortable. Play to your strengths...work on your weaknesses...and by all means...PRACTICE!

Shorty
I agree exactly! There is never a "right" or "wrong", but you should always do what you are most comfortable with.
 
LastTwo said:
If you use that principle, make sure that it only applies to shots that YOU YOURSELF are high percentage/low percentage to make.

This is very reasonable, however many people fool themselves into thinking they are better than they really are (this is not directed at you LastTwo, just a general comment). This is why I believe it is important to measure set shot performance occasionally. The truth often hurts (I have shots that I want to make regularly but in reality I make them about 3 in 10 ... hate that) but it can help you make the correct descision. This is what the Pro Book preaches.

Dave
 
Tons'O'fun said:
Personally, I never second guess myself, never. If I feel a shot is the right shot to take, I take it. If I miss the shot, I want to know why i missed that particular shot, not whether it was the right shot to take.

Even the pro's (pick a sport, any sport) analyse their choices after the fact. Not every choice, only the ones that can be improved upon. That's what coaches are for. That's how you learn. I'm guessing you are pretty young.

Dave
 
Tons'O'fun said:
Your assumption would be ignorant.

What I analyze "after the fact" is the reason I made the mistake or why I performed poorly in a given game.

In the sport of billiards, a pro doesn't usually second guess their shot selection per se, they try to understand "why" they missed the shot. Pros usually understand the right/wrong shot to take before they take it. Pros usually take the highest percentage shot, when they miss the highest percentage shot, that's where analysis comes into play.

I'm sorry, I did not realize you are an old pro :rolleyes:

Dave
 
Tons'O'fun said:
Did the "Pro Book" teach you to keep trying shots you can only make 3 out of 10 tries?.

I know this is not what you meant, but it's easy for people to read what they want into these forum posts isn't it?.

Your comments from an earlier post:

"Personally, I never second guess myself, never. If I feel a shot is the right shot to take, I take it. If I miss the shot, I want to know why I missed that particular shot, not whether it was the right shot to take. "

is not very ambiguous.

Dave
 
getting in the mix

DaveK said:
Your comments from an earlier post:

"Personally, I never second guess myself, never. If I feel a shot is the right shot to take, I take it. If I miss the shot, I want to know why I missed that particular shot, not whether it was the right shot to take. "

is not very ambiguous.

Dave

Tons'o'Fun - If you are a money player or a higher level player, spectators
and other players watching are making judgments about your true
skill level, and they make those decisions by the choices you make on
the table, and how well they work out or don't work out. I live with my
choices too, but I always go back later and analyze my mistakes, and what
else I could have done to have worked out better. That's part of the learning
process, and it can help your game. If something bothered me, it just won't
go away until I get it figured out in my mind (and maybe the table) on what
I should have done that I didn't. If you never question your game, how do
you expect to get better, by practicing shooting in balls you know you can make. When you settle for the game you have, you have peaked as a player.
I see many players making decisions for shots because they failed to consider
other alternatives available to them. I see many young players that think they
can make EVERY shot ALL the time. After they get busted about 10 times,
they start to expand their thinking into other alternatives that they could have
chosen. That's why playing for money helps your game faster, when you get tired of being broke all the time and can't do anything, YOU start to actually
USE your brain to play smarter and better Pool.
 
Tons'O'fun said:
I agree and I don't agree. I agree that it's easy to comment from the spectators section and that no one ever missed a shot from the audience. I don't agree on your striking up a dialogue with these clowns.

As you said, everyone is comfortable with different shots, and there are a dozen ways to approach any given shot/layout. Personally, I never second guess myself, never. If I feel a shot is the right shot to take, I take it. If I miss the shot, I want to know why I missed that particular shot, not whether it was the right shot to take. The time for doubt is before the shot..... not during or after.

The fact that you're hearing comments from the gallery is a testament that your focus is not 110% where it should be, on the shot. When a player starts struggling, they start second guessing themselves. They look for confirmation of this from their opponent, from the jerk in the audience, from their drunken buddies etc. Basically, looking for an external reason for a poor shot or game, but usually the reason is internal.

Fact is, the only person who should affect your game is yourself. If you dogged it, own it. Walk it off and come back better the next time. But whatever you do, don't give these clowns the time of day. Why feel the need to justify yourself?. :cool:

I was born without an on/off switch in my ears, so I can hear things whether I want to or not. I never mentioned what they said had any effect on my game. I just overheard them talking about my shot options after I had missed the ball and explained why I did what I did, although I didn't execute like I wanted to. The fact is, before I took the shot I thought out my options and took what I thought to be a higher percentage, and the benefits of the shot (running out from there) far exceded a safety that would have proved easy to kick and perhaps cost me control of the table, and thus the game.

Even when I am in dead punch, I can hear things around me (obviously), but outside distractions don't really bother me unless it's a beautiful woman. :D
 
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