Playing the Table

Drater

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(I'm new here -- this is my first post)

To the extent that I'm focused enough to do so, I typically "play the table" rather than my opponent. You know the drill, one ball at a time, block everything out.

However, I find that when I have to play a "lock up" saftey, I switch to playing my opponent. I take into consideration his kicking abilities, if he owns a jump stick, the score, the bet, etc. I'm thinking to myself, "I've really gotta stick this f**ker!".

I also find that if my opponent has stuck me really good, I think, "Geez, that f**ker really stuck me!".

From that point on, for me, the game takes a much more personal tone, and I'm no longer playing the table -- I'm playing my opponent. And things don't work out as well as they should.

I'm interested in y'alls views on what factors of the game cause you to "play your opponent".
 
first off, welcome!

trying to block out your opponent, and pretending nothing bothers you will only make things worse. trying to ignore everything around you is like not thinking about an elephant RIGHT NOW! :D that is an example from the book "pleasures of small motions" I suggest getting a copy, I have, and it really dispels all the old myths and theories about the mental side of pool.

your right about exploiting his weakness with your safety choice, and thats a real good point that gets over looked. What you found out is when that guy jams you with a tight safety, it got your attention, and motivated you. Remember that, its good to have motivation when you want it.

Gerry
 
Points taken. I've seen "Pleasures of Small Motions" mentioned here numerous times, and it's on my buy list.

By "block everything out", I really meant external factors such as the overly loud music, the hot redhead in the corner with the mini-skirt, the lack of attentitiveness by our waitress, etc.

By no means do I try to pretend my opponent doesn't exist. When he's at the table, I'm watching every single thing he does, not only looking for fouls, but watching for the sake of enjoyment and learning.

It's when my time at the table dictates that I have to consider my opponent (because I'm forced to let him back to the table) that I stop thinking "okay, play the 2 with position on the 3 so I can get to the 4" and I start thinking "geez, I really need to run out here, else he'll beat me".

What I'm getting at is when I must think about my opponent, I tend to lose a level of focus. The game becomes abstracted to "win or lose", rather than "one ball at a time". And what I'm wondering is what factors cause others to do the same, and of course discussion about ways to overcome.
 
Drater said:
By no means do I try to pretend my opponent doesn't exist. When he's at the table, I'm watching every single thing he does, not only looking for fouls, but watching for the sake of enjoyment and learning.

Watch for weaknesses as well. That is important for playing safe or two way shots etc. If they can't kick, snookers are what you want. If they can't pot long shots, leave them long shots. Take into account what they can't seem to make that day and take advantage.

Breaking someone down mentally is part of the game as well and a great tool as long as it is down on the table not through sharking and such.
 
Drater said:
It's when my time at the table dictates that I have to consider my opponent (because I'm forced to let him back to the table) that I stop thinking "okay, play the 2 with position on the 3 so I can get to the 4" and I start thinking "geez, I really need to run out here, else he'll beat me".

Incorrect Thinking! There is never a need to consider one's opponent. Every inning should end with either a run-out or the evillest, most despicable safety that you can devise. That's simply how the game is played. It doesn't matter if there's anyone playing with you.

The key is knowing when you are not going to run out. See the "Pleasures" book for that wisdom.
 
I was skimming through this thread and I was thinking about how its just me, the table and the balls. My opponent is just watching. I can ignore that. It really should not affect me. However - there is pressure. Where is it coming from? Inside or outside? How do I deal with it? Is the pressure real or imagined?

I am going to type something now that will cause a lot of people to gasp. YOU WON'T FIND ANY OF THE ANSWERS IN ANY BOOK.

Trust me. I say that and I have written more than a few. I'm just being honest.

Every situation at the table will give you a different scenario. Your environment can effect you as well. What if having other people watching you makes you nervous? What if some people make you nervous and others don't? There are too many situations and no book is going to have all of the answers. Most of what you will learn and retain will be from experience anyway. I'm not wrong about that. A book will give you knowledge. Possessing knowledge and applying knowledge are two completely different animals.

I am reminded of an old movie that was titled "Circle of Iron". The movie is about a young martial artist that competes for the right to go on a journey to find The Book Of All Knowledge. Along the way he fights many battles, sometimes not knowing who his enemies are - or whether they are real or imagined. After an epic journey, he finally finds his way to this Wizard that posseses this book. When he opens it up - the pages are just mirrors - and all he saw was his own reflection.

I think that story relates beautifully to pool. No matter who you play, win or lose, it all comes down to you. You must know your capabilities and work within them to do your best. That is all you can do.
 
Dhakala said:
Incorrect Thinking! There is never a need to consider one's opponent. Every inning should end with either a run-out or the evillest, most despicable safety that you can devise. That's simply how the game is played. It doesn't matter if there's anyone playing with you.

The key is knowing when you are not going to run out. See the "Pleasures" book for that wisdom.

Your first paragraph is contrary to what 'Pleasures" says though. It very much matters whether you are playing someone and in a competitive situation.
 
PoolBum said:
Your first paragraph is contrary to what 'Pleasures" says though. It very much matters whether you are playing someone and in a competitive situation.

Fancher is a brilliant man, but in this matter he contradicts himself, straying from the Four-Bank Path to Enlightenment and Correct Thinking.

Fancher theorizes that we take pleasure in the small motions of pool because they exercise and refine hunting skills that were essential to our ancestors' survival: hand-eye coordination, fine motor control, depth perception, spatial awareness, concentration, etc... skills needed to sneak up on prey and put a spear into it accurately. I agree with him.

But hunting is not a competitive activity! Our ancestors competed with each other for hunting grounds, just as pool players now compete to stay on the table. They competed with each other for dead prey, but that was after the hunt was over. They chased the same mastodon very, very rarely, and unwillingly.

Why do I think so? Because hunting is tough enough without the additional struggles of competition. Given a choice, would you chase a mastodon with or without worrying about another hunter beating you to it, or sticking a spear in your back? Also, people were scarce back then, and they stuck to their territories. Hunters were unlikely to run into each other unless they were from the same tribe, and then they were inclined to cooperate rather than compete. Hunting is either a cooperative or solitary activity to this day.

Although competition is not part of hunting, the emotions evoked by these activities are similar. It's the similar feeling that we get from competition and the practice of hunting skills through the small motions of pool that leads us to conclude, incorrectly, that pool is competitive.

Competition is a struggle between two beings or groups to establish dominance. The competitors share that goal. Think of two male wolves "fighting" over a female. They are not trying to kill and eat each other; they are not hunting! They are competing for the same thing - the "right to breed," which is really the deference of other wolves to one's dominance over them. Hunting, in contrast, does not involve such a shared purpose.

Indeed, the purposes of hunter and prey could not be more different. A hunter strives to kill, while prey strives to live. This is not competition because there is no shared desire to dominate.

However, the act of killing is the ultimate act of dominance. Thus, hunters and competitors experience very similar emotions when they succeed. Hence the confusion between hunting and competition.

Fancher postulates that pool players are practicing hunting skills, not breeding skills. The pool player's prey is the object ball, not the other player. The emotional reward of "killing" every ball on the table is the same whether an opponent is present or not.

Additional and very simliar emotional reward can be had by dominating an opponent, but it is incidental and needn't be present for one to experience the pleasures of small motions.

This distinction between hunting and competition is important to pool players because one's best game can be played only with total attention to hunting skills. A wolf does not think about mating while hunting!

This is the beginning of the Four-Bank Path to Enlightenment and Correct Thinking: pool players are hunters, not competitors.

How does the Path cover safety play? It is not uncommon for a predator to cache part of its kill for later consumption, striving to prevent others from eating it. In safety play, one caches balls in a manner designed to prevent others from pocketing/eating what you cannot immediately consume. There is a difference between the act of hunting live prey and competing for food (dead prey) by caching it. Different skills and thinking are employed. The same is true of ball-sinking vs. safety play. Pool is the practice of hunting skills. Caching is a consequence of successful hunting. This is why Zen Cueism says that every inning of pool should end with either a run-out or a safety. One either consumes all of the prey or caches some for later. It doesn't matter whether an opponent is present. The stomach tells one's mind clearly when it is full and food should be cached. But the Zen Cueist's mind must determine when it is time to play safe.

In summary, pool is the practice of hunting skills, and hunting is not a competitive activity. Competition can occur only when the hunt is over and food remains uneaten; then it is time to cache, or play safe. Fancher's book shows the Zen Cueist how to know when it's time to play safe.
 
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I just re-read the book this week and there may have been a small reference to what you eluded to, but the book, in the simplest terms I can think of, is about:

knowing your limitations, your game, and having the ability to be honest about what you can do on the table.

how your body reacts physically to different situations, and how to adjust to that.

about the reasons we play the game like, enjoyment, competition, peer ranking, diversion.

competition and all the emotions that go along with it.

thats what I got out of it anyway.....Gerry
 
Gerry said:
I just re-read the book this week and there may have been a small reference to what you eluded to

Fancher makes the error of giving short shrift to what seems glaringly obvious and fundamental to him. The link between pool and hunting, and the nature of hunting, are of the utmost importance to understanding and improving one's game.

but the book, in the simplest terms I can think of, is about:

knowing your limitations, your game, and having the ability to be honest about what you can do on the table.

That is the part where one learns when to switch from hunting to caching; that is, from shot-making to safety play, from killing for food to competing for dominance.

how your body reacts physically to different situations, and how to adjust to that.

Fancher teaches that mind and body compete for dominance. I tell you again, pool is hunting practice and hunting is not competitive; it is either solitary or cooperative. Zen Cueism teaches that mind and body are brought into harmonious cooperation by spirit. There is no war within the Zen Cueist; the pleasure of small motions is the pleasure of inner peace.

about the reasons we play the game like, enjoyment, competition, peer ranking, diversion.

"Enjoyment" begs the question. The other reasons are superfluous. Enjoying the refinement of one's primitive hunting skills is the only motivation that is present in all pool-playing circumstances: winning or losing, dead stroke or dogging, alone or in front a Las Vegas audience, for money or funsies. The pleasure is evoked by the unification of mind, body, and spirit.

competition and all the emotions that go along with it.

Competition is unpleasant, dangerous, and to be avoided. Victory is enjoyable, but it comes only after competition ends.
 
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