Playing the wrong ball
- Thread starter kaznj
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Not sure what matchroom rules are, but what I think should happen is the person that shouted it should be escorted out and the opponent get the option of ball in hand.
Hmmm
Could I say it to players I don’t care for then? Give my favorite player ball in hand at the right opportunity. Sweet
What if the player isn’t shooting at the wrong ball?
What about other sporting events where spectators try to distract the other player/team?
That makes no sense. Just like you shouldn't be punished for my actions (if I rob a bank and use some of that money to pay you for something should you then have to go to jail for my bank robbery that you weren't aware of and had nothing to do with?), a player also shouldn't be punished for the actions of some audience member either.
I agree that you should escort the offending audience member out and ban them from the event and maybe even consider giving them a lifetime ban from all of that promoter's events if you feel it is warranted since they are the offending party and it is a pretty big offense, but play should continue as it was since you have no way of truly knowing if the player even benefited from the shouted advice, but whether they did or not, they can't and shouldn't be punished for somebody else's actions that they had no participation in or control of.
I see your point about the player not being punished for the actions of a random spectator.
Now if it was the players spouse or teammate things could get interesting and could possibly be considered coaching.
This does indeed get a bit more touchy but to be considered coaching I think there would need to be some evidence that the player solicited it, encouraged it, was aware that their friend or family member was going to do something like that and did not tell them not to or otherwise try to discourage it, etc, before the player could be held accountable for it otherwise I can't see how/why they should be held accountable for somebody else's actions, even somebody they know, if they had no participation in it or control over it. Same thing though, that offending audience member should be escorted out and banned even if it is a player's spouse, parent, child, or friend.
DeeDeeCues
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Neither the ref nor the opponent has any right, much less a duty to interrupt a player during his turn.
If you are paid with traceable stolen money, the money is confiscated. Your example is flawed.
simple, the player can use the advice or not he is a pro. in all sports spectators shout out things good and bad for the player. he takes it in stride.
thats the rub of the green for the opponent he has to take it in stride as well.
it could of as easily have happened to the opponent as well. so fair is fair.
the person in the stands should get a warning. thats all.
thats the rub of the green for the opponent he has to take it in stride as well.
it could of as easily have happened to the opponent as well. so fair is fair.
the person in the stands should get a warning. thats all.
Not exactly flawed because if the person didn't know the money was stolen, and there is no reason they should have known the money was stolen, they aren't held accountable and punished for the crime in any way, same as the player shouldn't be held accountable and punished for somebody else's actions. If provably stolen money gets returned to its rightful owner that isn't the receiver getting punished for the thief's crime, it's just the return of stolen property to its owner, but if the opponent is given ball in hand the player is in fact actually being punished (it wasn't a stolen cue ball being returned or anything lol).
I definitely should have used a better example that didn't have an unnecessary "return of stolen property" potential component to it so as to avoid any possibility for confusion though. A better example might be something like say one fan in the stands says something bad about one of the players to a second fan in the stands, and that second fan punches the first fan in the mouth and says that is for the player that you just bad mouthed since he is currently too busy to do it himself, and of course the player shouldn't suffer any punishment for that fan's action even though it was done in his name or to help him out so to speak since the player didn't have anything to do with it and had no control over it. Didn't spend much time on that example either but whether perfect or not I think they both get the point across well enough for the point that was being made.
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Have big LED panel with game status including which ball and what color along with the voice of Ms Big Brother announcing shit.
i think bonus ball actually had that, and the players still shot at the wrong holes or in wrong order.
BCA instructors need to get on situational comprehension.
Pink is only good for one thing.
