I will bet a BAZILLION DOLLARS, that NO ONE can scratch a hundred out of a hundred tries. :scratchhead:
JoeyA
Please Help with this 2-Ball Pattern
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I will bet a BAZILLION DOLLARS, that NO ONE can scratch a hundred out of a hundred tries. :scratchhead:
JoeyA
OK, in the above layout,I've positioned the 8 ball one ball's width from the side rail and between the two diamonds on the side rail. I have also moved the 9 ball to the bottom rail.
With the 9 ball sitting on the bottom rail I can let my stroke out and get PERFECT shape almost every time, letting the cue ball come to rest of the head rail.
I practiced the original shot and because the 9 ball WAS originally 12" off the head rail, I still like my original shot as shown below:
I can make this shot VERY consistently. If I use Donny's slight spin off of the side rail with the shot not quite straight in, I can sometimes find myself hitting the rail a little harder than I expected and can sometimes find the cue ball sitting on the bottom rail or running straight at the 9 ball.
Donny, you are the man! I really like hitting the cue ball with lots of draw and a smidgeon of right hand spin. The cue ball comes down the side rail like it has a laser beam guiding it. I'll always remember this as Donny's shot and when I make PERFECT shape, which I know I will, I'll wail loudly, "THANK YOU DONNY!" and everyone will think I'm nuts and wonder "Donny Who?".
JoeyA
Joey, I have to ask. Are you saying you never knew how much right spin effects this shot? Say it ain't so.:grin: The purpose of right is to lengthen the angle. Not only that, less stroke speed is needed because right adds a little speed. Thought I'd chime in, what the heck everyone else has. LOL
As far as the OP goes with BIH I'd shoot it with low right around a 30 degree angle and use two rails. The my target is the second rail. Its just a slow speed shot and slow is more accurate. Like Donny ( I'm not near his speed) a scratch in the side would not happen. Yes people do scratch. However my bet is they do not know how much angle, speed and spin effects these type of shots.
As far as the OP goes, we don't know the players ability or table conditions. One thing for sure, they know they have several options.
Rod
Rod,
I wish I knew everything I think I know about pool.:grin: Widening an angle using side spin is a given for most people but using it the way Donny suggested is another level.
Donny was suggesting that the way to shoot the two ball run was to use low draw with a touch of right hand spin and since I really hadn't tried a shot like that, I had to contest what he said.
After trying Donny Mills' shot MANY times, I was able to get PERFECT shape, not good shape, but Perfect Shape, TIME AFTER TIME. The only catch was I moved the 9 ball to the head rail/middle diamond. Each time that I put screw on the cue ball with a touch of right, I maneuvered the cue ball so that I had a straight in shot on the 9 ball, with the cue ball 12-18" away from the 9 ball..
Most people do not shoot these type of shots, simply because they haven't been exposed to them.
This is one of the reasons that we are fortunate to have professional players around to share their thoughts and reasonings with us.
I believe that if you don't have a Donny Mills or another professional player in your home town, most people are going to have a tough time learning how to play at that speed even if you have good talent. You can travel to see them play and that's all good. You can compete against them and that's all good but when you have them telling you what they would do, how they would do it and why, it is simply THE BEST.
We're really lucky to have players like Donny give us their insight on shots and layouts here on AZ Billiards. A little time on the table, testing their perspectives will open up a whole new world for you. For some of you who are suffering from the post holiday blues, trying unique, yet effective shots like this might be the perfect thing to bring you out of that funk.
Anyway, thanks to Donny for adding another bullet to my bandolier of usable ammunition.
JoeyA
That's fair. Any decent player should be out from here going any which way, so it comes down to what you are most comfortable with. I tried this shot a few different ways last night and have a new appreciation for the two-rail draw shot since the object ball is comfortably off the long rail. If the object ball is frozen or just a little bit off the rail, the side pocket gets bigger and then I like mully's straight draw.
As PJ said, if I were coaching a player of unknown skill level, I tell them to shoot the follow shot. Similarly, if I were in a high-pressure situation and was feeling tight and nervous, I'd also go with the follow. It has the fewest variables.
So far in this thread we've all been talking about having ball in hand and there have been a lot of opinions on which way to go. In the event it's not ball in hand, this is how I would play it depending on where my cue ball is. If I'm going to play a position I think I prefer to play the A position. With B as a back up if I fall a little short.......and suicide and a bank cross table if I go too long. hehe!!
MULLY
MULLY
Ok I understand but I wasn't suggesting a lot of right english is necessary. Since the c/b just grazes the side rail it doesn't take a lot and puts emphasis on more low which is needed to get whitey back.
As a parallel use the exact same angle. You have to play position on the 9 for the left corner pocket. Shoot it with low and a little left and it will come on the other side of the 9. Of course there is follow as well but not if that lane was blocked. I've seen this a lot where a player draws back into an object ball and hopes. By using reverse instead of running they could have had a good shot.
Yes by all means, having Pro's on here is invaluable to to the forum. Their input is appreciated by all. Many of us, and since I'm an older guy, I never had this opportunity. I wish forums existed when I started playing. But then neither did pool rooms with air condition. LOL
Rod
Where did he say this? In your post where you quote him, he says (in the context of shooting when not being confident with his draw stroke):
That doesn't sound like a "pinch" of draw to me. "4:30" o'clock (between 4 and 5) would be equal amounts of draw and sidespin, which matches his description as "a little low and a little outside." Did I miss a post where he changed his description to mostly draw with a tiny bit of side?
Btw, the reason the technique you describe only needs a small amount of sidespin is because you're hitting the OB so full. A full hit really slows down the CB, and therefore really increases its spin/speed ratio. Since rebound angle depends on the spin/speed ratio and not the absolute spin RPMs, the full hit give the effect of lots of sidespin without requiring you to hit very far off center.
Robert