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if you were going to open a new pool hall, what table would you buy? gold crown 4s, or some other brand? {such as -- diamond,kim steel, , global, connelly ultimate with 2 inch slate or any other brand you would vote for.] gold crowns are the best knowned but seem to have many problems. help with your suggestions. thanks JB
 
Gold Crown 4s no doubt. They made some great improvements since the 3s. And the Diamonds are alot more trouble to recover every year.
 
I'd go with Gabriels' tables if I had the dough.
The Gold Crowns still come with the cheaply made rubber.
 
Josephcues, you hit it right on the head. Gabriels look to be one of the best built tables out there. A regional billiard room took out new Gold Crowns and replaced them with Gabriels Vector's early this year. It took a while to get used to them. Gabriels ships them with Artemis Rubber rails. They play and look more like a Diamond Professional (ask Greg Sullivan for the background on that one).
 
Currently, I play on Diamonds most of the time now and they seem pretty nice. Another place I go to has the Gold Crown 4's and it's hard to beat those too. They're both nice tables and it's hard to pick one over the other.

I have played on a Kim Steel too and that is one heck of a table!! I've been told they're not cheap though. The thickness of the slate is about half again thicker than the slate of a Gold Crown II. Once in a while, I play in this small place that has 2 GC II's and had a Kim Steel. They were putting in some new carpet and about 10 guys picked up the GC's to roll the carpet but they couldn't budge the Kim Steel. They had to get a jack to lift it.
 
I would go with GC IV's 9' and some 3.5 x 7's. What is the best 3.5 x 7 (bar box) on the market? Not coin op, but drop pocket or rail system.

Zim
 
cardiac kid said:
Josephcues, you hit it right on the head. Gabriels look to be one of the best built tables out there. A regional billiard room took out new Gold Crowns and replaced them with Gabriels Vector's early this year. It took a while to get used to them. Gabriels ships them with Artemis Rubber rails. They play and look more like a Diamond Professional (ask Greg Sullivan for the background on that one).
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Let's ask Greg about Gabriel's Matrix coin-op table too.:D
I checked the bottom of those Vector table in Vegas.
They had I-type STEEL beams. Freakin' monstrous.
The dymond topped rails looked awesome and pretty much indestructible under normal use.
The pockets were perfectly cut as well imo. Honest 4 1/2" corners.
 
I'd stay away from 3.5 x 7 for a class joint. Hate 'em! Makes me feel like I'm playin bumper pool. CBC in Chattanooga has GC 4 x 8 and 9' with two diamond pros. The one-pocketers usually take on the diamonds with smaller pockets.
 
I plan on having around 12 GC 9fters and around 8 bar boxes. I plan on having an "In House" league and play on the bar boxes. I think all players should be proficient players on both the 9' and the bar box, the 8' tables will be just another table then. I love it when I lose a $$ match to someone on a 9fter then kick their ass on a bar box or vice versa. I would say about 70% of the players I've played against can only play on one or the other, but not both. I like both tables equally!

Zim
 
JMB, if you are interested, we have (10) used Gabriels Signature Pro tables available in the midwest. Joe Marra 561-945-4448
 
If you could choose 1 table that would be more or less a "private" table in a back room for you, who ever you invited to play and a big $$ match to play on. This would be for someone "special" to play on, a privalidge so to speak. What table and size would you choose and why? (the room dimensions will accomodate any size table)

Zim
 
I'm not too familiar with Gabrials, but I'm assuming that the Signature Pro's are 9' tables? How much are you selling them for? What is a good site to see the tables?

Zim
 
do yourself a favor. save some money and alot of aggrevation down the road. try to locate some used GCIII's and buy them up for your room. GCIV's just don't play as good, IMO.
 
I would vote for the Gandy Big "G,s". To bad they went out of business. I saw three for sale the other day, I think on Proficient Billiards page. I don't think you can beat an old Gandy Big "G". I have one in the basement. gmho
God Bless, Don P.
 
They changed the pocket corner casting.....from the awhfull lead insert they use to use. (that would eventually wear out and not hold very good) Now they have 2 bolts per side of each corner, and they resessed the pockets to compete with Diamond. And they added the bolt leveling system to the frames. Which is a great thing.....they could use some improvement on it, but a good start! The frames also seem to be more solid.
 
Hate to agree with Don, but the Big G's were great! The only problem with them is the rail bolt system............the round metal piece that screws into the rail......they need to be upgraded. Not sure who makes them, but someone makes a replacement piece. After repeated recoverings you have to check them all because they will loosen up over time. (they are only held in by 3 or 4 wood screws) And they are bad about striping out, because the stock ones are too thin.....like 1/4" of threads. Eventually they go bad. If I am not mistaken......Gandy sold out....and someone is still making them just under a different name. PS......anybody looking for one of those Big Gs......lol?
 
Come on PTM, you don't have to HATE to agree with me. If I have offended you, I apologize right now. You don't have to bring it up again. We probably agree on a lot of things. Guy once told me, "If you got one foot in yesterday, and one foot in tomorrow, all you can do is piss all over today". I have found out that life is much more enjoyable if we start anew each day. Let go of the past. I have enjoyed a lot of the information posted by you. Come on,'s lets be friends and help one another out when we can.
God Bless, Don P.
 
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