Pool School advice

Protractor

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Hello All...

I live in a remote rural area with small towns where we have an 8 ball league that has some strong players and a larger number of intermediate/casual players, some of whom would like to improve. The nearest city that might have an instructor is 2 hours away and the one most likely to have one is 8 hours away. Due to the sparse population we have 7 teams in our league but there are untapped players so we are trying to grow the league.

One idea I came up with is conducting our own Pool School where we teach new or current players the fundamentals (with an early emphasis on mental fundamentals) and then move on to position play, pattern play, banking and so on up the skill ladder. After talking about it for a couple years I finally put on a class for 5 students (that lasted 3 hours!) based on an outline of what I considered elements of fundamentals (11 pages!). While this class resulted in one student successfully applying what she had learned and for the first time doing a table run against a stronger opponent it is obvious that I need to break it up into modules (crawl, walk, run) and have fewer students in a session and probably incorporate mentoring as well.

Back in the day, I learned to shoot by feel, intuition and relying on my subconscious. After experiencing a few of life's episodes I had to relearn how to play through more analytical means, which has included making video recordings of my playing and conscious adjustments. Fortunately I have been able to meld both approaches and am once again a strong player but there are obvious challenges in teaching what I know how to do to someone else. For example, there is no way that I could teach banking to students because I use automatic aiming and do not know any banking systems. Fortunately, another good player knows banking systems so he would get stuck with that module. There is a third strong player that is also willing to step in and teach/mentor, so we will divide it up accordingly.

My previous experiences in teaching have all been in the corporate world, all centered around highly technical material that had nothing to do with physical performance. While I am meticulous, detail minded and am told I have a knack for explaining complicated matters in a way that is easily understood by neophytes, I don't know how well that is going to translate in this arena. I obviously want to make sure that I/we don't guide them wrongly. I think I am well versed on the physical and mental aspects of pool from reading a number of books, (e.g. Championship Pool) watching countless tournaments/players and lessons on YouTube as well as competing in high pressure situations but I don't really have anyone to bounce it off of when it comes to teaching pool.

One thing the students said was that they had tried learning via YT but it made a big difference having someone show them in person how to do something and correct what they were doing wrong. One part that was eye opening for them was when I broke a rack and gave them a walk through of how to evaluate the layout, choose between solids/stripes, how to pick the pattern, identify the key ball and deal with problems. True, that might not be considered part of "fundamentals" but to me it is a fundamental part of play and gives them a picture of how to do better while they are working on their stroke.

I don't know if there is an open source/free set of course templates out there or not... I just wrote my own from scratch. Is there something I should be using?

Any advice from the Instructor community is more than welcome.

TIA
 
That's why the PBIA has an instructor certification program. Check out their website at playbetterbilliards.com. If you really want to teach, then maybe taking a course and getting a certificate might be a good idea.

But putting that aside for a moment, in general, when teaching a performance skill, you can't overload them with information. Prioritize, and then give them a few things at a time to work on. The toughest thing an instructor has to do is to not try to fix all the errors you're seeing at once. You will have to let most of them go while they work on something that has higher priority. Be ready with one or two main concepts for each group lesson and stick to those for that day. Then maybe have a Q&A with them near the end of each session where they can ask you anything that might be on their minds from any topic.

Also, you can have a performance part of the lesson and a strategy part of the lesson. I usually do that. Good luck!
 
Hello All...

I live in a remote rural area with small towns where we have an 8 ball league that has some strong players and a larger number of intermediate/casual players, some of whom would like to improve. The nearest city that might have an instructor is 2 hours away and the one most likely to have one is 8 hours away. Due to the sparse population we have 7 teams in our league but there are untapped players so we are trying to grow the league.

One idea I came up with is conducting our own Pool School where we teach new or current players the fundamentals (with an early emphasis on mental fundamentals) and then move on to position play, pattern play, banking and so on up the skill ladder. After talking about it for a couple years I finally put on a class for 5 students (that lasted 3 hours!) based on an outline of what I considered elements of fundamentals (11 pages!). While this class resulted in one student successfully applying what she had learned and for the first time doing a table run against a stronger opponent it is obvious that I need to break it up into modules (crawl, walk, run) and have fewer students in a session and probably incorporate mentoring as well.

Back in the day, I learned to shoot by feel, intuition and relying on my subconscious. After experiencing a few of life's episodes I had to relearn how to play through more analytical means, which has included making video recordings of my playing and conscious adjustments. Fortunately I have been able to meld both approaches and am once again a strong player but there are obvious challenges in teaching what I know how to do to someone else. For example, there is no way that I could teach banking to students because I use automatic aiming and do not know any banking systems. Fortunately, another good player knows banking systems so he would get stuck with that module. There is a third strong player that is also willing to step in and teach/mentor, so we will divide it up accordingly.

My previous experiences in teaching have all been in the corporate world, all centered around highly technical material that had nothing to do with physical performance. While I am meticulous, detail minded and am told I have a knack for explaining complicated matters in a way that is easily understood by neophytes, I don't know how well that is going to translate in this arena. I obviously want to make sure that I/we don't guide them wrongly. I think I am well versed on the physical and mental aspects of pool from reading a number of books, (e.g. Championship Pool) watching countless tournaments/players and lessons on YouTube as well as competing in high pressure situations but I don't really have anyone to bounce it off of when it comes to teaching pool.

One thing the students said was that they had tried learning via YT but it made a big difference having someone show them in person how to do something and correct what they were doing wrong. One part that was eye opening for them was when I broke a rack and gave them a walk through of how to evaluate the layout, choose between solids/stripes, how to pick the pattern, identify the key ball and deal with problems. True, that might not be considered part of "fundamentals" but to me it is a fundamental part of play and gives them a picture of how to do better while they are working on their stroke.

I don't know if there is an open source/free set of course templates out there or not... I just wrote my own from scratch. Is there something I should be using?

Any advice from the Instructor community is more than welcome.

TIA
What small City do you live in?
I am on the road alot.

randyg
 
Get a talk with the PBIA Protractor-- i m pretty sure, that this would be a good idea to get yourself a course- and including a certification. HOw you will go on depends on you :-) But for the first steps imo it could be really helpful for your own ability to teach some fundamentals right from beginning.
Pops is also here on the forum- Randy Goettlicher- Hell of a guy, knowledged and a Master Instructor in the PBIA Association.


OOPS- just saw, that Randy already wrote, too :-) and of course Madame Fran also ^^

give it a shot- you will not regret ( imo ).

best from overseas,
 
Well if you live off the beaten path, there are so many good instructional DVDs it’s crazy.

Buy, watch 10 times, and practice.
 
That's why the PBIA has an instructor certification program. Check out their website at playbetterbilliards.com. If you really want to teach, then maybe taking a course and getting a certificate might be a good idea.

But putting that aside for a moment, in general, when teaching a performance skill, you can't overload them with information. Prioritize, and then give them a few things at a time to work on. The toughest thing an instructor has to do is to not try to fix all the errors you're seeing at once. You will have to let most of them go while they work on something that has higher priority. Be ready with one or two main concepts for each group lesson and stick to those for that day. Then maybe have a Q&A with them near the end of each session where they can ask you anything that might be on their minds from any topic.

Also, you can have a performance part of the lesson and a strategy part of the lesson. I usually do that. Good luck!
Hi Fran, thanks for the response and good advice.

I took this on as a matter of necessity/labor of love so I don't plan on making it a vocation. If there is some sort of knowledge test that might be interesting to try to see how I stack up compared to a certified instructor but I imagine that is not doable on just a written basis. I did find a copy of the PBIA Instructor's manual via Google on Dr. Dave's site that contains a course outline that basically replicates the one I had already written so I might not be too far off track as far as lesson progression and elements go.

After the session I did a postmortem and came to the same assessment you are offering. The first session was mostly a presentation/demonstration without individual student assessments but I was peppered with questions at the end and did some additional demonstrations on visualizing CB path post-impact, position play, choosing the pattern, etc. To me, those are fundamental elements of play but I get it that any issues with stance, sight/alignment and stroke have to be fixed first.

Prior to the session I had handed out a questionnaire/sign up sheet where several of the students indicated that they would like to be mentored so we are planning that as well. It aggravated me back in the day when I was learning that the adept players just wanted to take my money instead of sharing knowledge with me that would help me to compete with them, so I like the idea of paying/playing it forward.
 
What small City do you live in?
I am on the road alot.

randyg
The league is spread across 4 small towns in northern Wyoming, east of Yellowstone park, 25 - 60 miles between towns. Largest town is 10,000. Pretty much a pool playing desert.

One of the students said they had looked into an online instructor that wanted $85/hour and they thought that was a lot of money. Even if I were to charge money I wouldn't be making much in this neck of the woods.
 
Well if you live off the beaten path, there are so many good instructional DVDs it’s crazy.

Buy, watch 10 times, and practice.
None of the first batch of students have their own tables. I supposed you could watch a DVD next to a bar table on your laptop but the consensus of the students is that it is really helpful to have someone to demonstrate how to do things and evaluate what they are doing right and wrong.
 
Here is the deal from where I sit, there is so much FREE INFO ON UTUBE, to improve game.

Start with Dr. Dave, his stuff is solid like I - Beam.👍👍👍👍👍👍
 
Hi Fran, thanks for the response and good advice.

I took this on as a matter of necessity/labor of love so I don't plan on making it a vocation. If there is some sort of knowledge test that might be interesting to try to see how I stack up compared to a certified instructor but I imagine that is not doable on just a written basis. I did find a copy of the PBIA Instructor's manual via Google on Dr. Dave's site that contains a course outline that basically replicates the one I had already written so I might not be too far off track as far as lesson progression and elements go.

After the session I did a postmortem and came to the same assessment you are offering. The first session was mostly a presentation/demonstration without individual student assessments but I was peppered with questions at the end and did some additional demonstrations on visualizing CB path post-impact, position play, choosing the pattern, etc. To me, those are fundamental elements of play but I get it that any issues with stance, sight/alignment and stroke have to be fixed first.

Prior to the session I had handed out a questionnaire/sign up sheet where several of the students indicated that they would like to be mentored so we are planning that as well. It aggravated me back in the day when I was learning that the adept players just wanted to take my money instead of sharing knowledge with me that would help me to compete with them, so I like the idea of paying/playing it forward.
I think you're on the right track here. Just one clarification on my end ---- There's no such thing as a PBIA instructor's manual, which is why I'm still in the program. I respect the fact that there is no one-way to teach pool. Other than actual physics, everything else is methodology, and each instructor is entitled to his or her own teaching methodology. What you probably saw is a particular PBIA instructor's manual that they created for themselves. There are some out there who would like you to believe that their way is the only PBIA way, but I digress.... it's politics.

Most of my teaching methodology came from experience as a player, but that's just me. Just a word of advice in seeking out ways to teach --- go with your gut and take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt.
 
...There's no such thing as a PBIA instructor's manual...
When the instructors' program was branded under the BCA, the BCA printed and sold a manual for instructors. It was about 80 pages. Some instructor training courses used that manual and some didn't. That manual has been out of print for quite a while.

In the past year or so, the PBIA Instructors' Committee has developed a new manual that is available to PBIA instructors through their login on the PBIA website. It consist primarily of links to instructor resources in various places. Here is the outline of the current Instructor's Manual:

1. Introduction ......................................................... 3
2. Quick Start for New Instructors ................... 3
3. Becoming a PBIA Instructor ........................... 4
4. Finding Students ................................................ 5
5. Instructional Formats ....................................... 6
6. Teaching Methods ............................................ 7
7. Lesson Plans and Topics ................................. 9
8. Teaching Resources ........................................ 13
9. Professionalism, Service, and Continuing Education . 14
10. Instructor Training .................................................................. 15

The Manual is a work in progress and all PBIA instructors are welcome to add to it.
 
The one I found via Google search is 15 pages long and says it is the 2022 edition. It has the same outline as what you posted.

I got it from Dr. Dave's site via a pdf download link that came up in a Google search, and it does not seem to be reachable by searching the site.

If it is not supposed be public, I can send you the link so that can be fixed.
 
I think you're on the right track here. Just one clarification on my end ---- There's no such thing as a PBIA instructor's manual, which is why I'm still in the program. I respect the fact that there is no one-way to teach pool. Other than actual physics, everything else is methodology, and each instructor is entitled to his or her own teaching methodology. What you probably saw is a particular PBIA instructor's manual that they created for themselves. There are some out there who would like you to believe that their way is the only PBIA way, but I digress.... it's politics.

Most of my teaching methodology came from experience as a player, but that's just me. Just a word of advice in seeking out ways to teach --- go with your gut and take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt.
Thanks for the encouragement and advice. My gut has been pretty reliable in the past so that is what I've been using, along with more or less 50 years of playing.
 
When the instructors' program was branded under the BCA, the BCA printed and sold a manual for instructors. It was about 80 pages. Some instructor training courses used that manual and some didn't. That manual has been out of print for quite a while.

In the past year or so, the PBIA Instructors' Committee has developed a new manual that is available to PBIA instructors through their login on the PBIA website. It consist primarily of links to instructor resources in various places. Here is the outline of the current Instructor's Manual:

1. Introduction ......................................................... 3
2. Quick Start for New Instructors ................... 3
3. Becoming a PBIA Instructor ........................... 4
4. Finding Students ................................................ 5
5. Instructional Formats ....................................... 6
6. Teaching Methods ............................................ 7
7. Lesson Plans and Topics ................................. 9
8. Teaching Resources ........................................ 13
9. Professionalism, Service, and Continuing Education . 14
10. Instructor Training .................................................................. 15

The Manual is a work in progress and all PBIA instructors are welcome to add to it.
I forgot --- yes, I heard you guys were putting something together. I'm glad it's not mandatory. It shouldn't be.
 
protractor
since your gut chakra is a cue ball (blue circle i might add)
channel your energy thru that and all should go well
OM.......🧘‍♂️
 
Hello All...

I live in a remote rural area with small towns where we have an 8 ball league that has some strong players and a larger number of intermediate/casual players, some of whom would like to improve. The nearest city that might have an instructor is 2 hours away and the one most likely to have one is 8 hours away. Due to the sparse population we have 7 teams in our league but there are untapped players so we are trying to grow the league.

One idea I came up with is conducting our own Pool School where we teach new or current players the fundamentals (with an early emphasis on mental fundamentals) and then move on to position play, pattern play, banking and so on up the skill ladder. After talking about it for a couple years I finally put on a class for 5 students (that lasted 3 hours!) based on an outline of what I considered elements of fundamentals (11 pages!). While this class resulted in one student successfully applying what she had learned and for the first time doing a table run against a stronger opponent it is obvious that I need to break it up into modules (crawl, walk, run) and have fewer students in a session and probably incorporate mentoring as well.

Back in the day, I learned to shoot by feel, intuition and relying on my subconscious. After experiencing a few of life's episodes I had to relearn how to play through more analytical means, which has included making video recordings of my playing and conscious adjustments. Fortunately I have been able to meld both approaches and am once again a strong player but there are obvious challenges in teaching what I know how to do to someone else. For example, there is no way that I could teach banking to students because I use automatic aiming and do not know any banking systems. Fortunately, another good player knows banking systems so he would get stuck with that module. There is a third strong player that is also willing to step in and teach/mentor, so we will divide it up accordingly.

My previous experiences in teaching have all been in the corporate world, all centered around highly technical material that had nothing to do with physical performance. While I am meticulous, detail minded and am told I have a knack for explaining complicated matters in a way that is easily understood by neophytes, I don't know how well that is going to translate in this arena. I obviously want to make sure that I/we don't guide them wrongly. I think I am well versed on the physical and mental aspects of pool from reading a number of books, (e.g. Championship Pool) watching countless tournaments/players and lessons on YouTube as well as competing in high pressure situations but I don't really have anyone to bounce it off of when it comes to teaching pool.

One thing the students said was that they had tried learning via YT but it made a big difference having someone show them in person how to do something and correct what they were doing wrong. One part that was eye opening for them was when I broke a rack and gave them a walk through of how to evaluate the layout, choose between solids/stripes, how to pick the pattern, identify the key ball and deal with problems. True, that might not be considered part of "fundamentals" but to me it is a fundamental part of play and gives them a picture of how to do better while they are working on their stroke.

I don't know if there is an open source/free set of course templates out there or not... I just wrote my own from scratch. Is there something I should be using?

Any advice from the Instructor community is more than welcome.

TIA
I LOVE this. This is what makes a league flourish. PM me if you want me to do a free clinic for these folks with NO obligation.
 
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