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BiG_JoN said:
I'm still looking for a place that has a CNC with the LOC i need (for new taper bars)

AND, i don't know about yours, but my money tree isn't blooming :rolleyes: :D :cool: .

Thanks,

Jon

My CNC machine has 60" of travel. Is that enough for you?

Every time my money tree blooms my wife and daughter are there to pick it for me :D
 
Cutoff Saw

I use a variable speed Foredom motor (1"OD) mounted in my Quick Change 1" boring bar holder. Put a 2" diameter jewelers saw in it and there you go. Easy tool changes too.

You can also use a strait router bit and put the motor in the boring bar holder and put it in the tool post at 90 degree for turning.

Since it is a variable speed motor I also use it at the other end of the lathe attached to my live center for my wrap motor. Just make some pullys out of delrin get a vacume cleaner belt.

I'll post some pics later if anyone interested.

Tom
 

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Cuesavvy said:
I use a variable speed Foredom motor (1"OD) mounted in my Quick Change 1" boring bar holder. Put a 2" diameter jewelers saw in it and there you go. Easy tool changes too.

You can also use a strait router bit and put the motor in the boring bar holder and put it in the tool post at 90 degree for turning.

Since it is a variable speed motor I also use it at the other end of the lathe attached to my live center for my wrap motor. Just make some pullys out of delrin get a vacume cleaner belt.

I'll post some pics later if anyone interested.

Tom

Nice pics. This is what I had in mind. Keep it coming guys

Hadj
 
Yeah guys, You got the idea, I could use the porta cable I use for taper If I bought or made and collet adapter for It, But I really just need something that is small, cheap, I can pop off, and on really easy, and is fixed position for now. Even a dremel, a small grinder, or something like the foredom. The foredom is small like the kind of dia grinder I have seen used in other trades & drew My attention, the hole to mount would be smaller, which would make It easier to build the mount, but I must admit not crazy about the cable hanging out there, and the motor all in My way, with everything else I have hanging over the equipment already. Neat idea to get the extra operation out of It. I have thought about taking a spindle handle/handpiece such as the foredom has, or something simular, take off the cable, and try to modify the handpiece/spindle to set up sort of like jon's, so it runs on a pulley, but have not got to look at anything good enough yet to see how much I would have to rework the spindle to modify It, If too many mods needed, then It might be easier for me to just build the spindle from scratch in the first place as Jon did. I could probably do a quick mock-up with something around here that will work, but I'm cutting wide rings right now anyway, so might as well take My time and setup something dedicated, with a quick change mount of some sort. The smaller the bit I can get away with the better, as to eat up less material. You guys know where I am coming from, you go through all the work of making the billet, only to have the fixed cutoff tool eat half of the material away from cutout. it just seems like a big waste, and takes too much effort to make the billet to waste like that, so this is a project I need to get on when I get the extra time, and My money tree starts blooming again LOL. I know what your going through Murray, The 2 women In my life Pretty much even keep the lonely bark stripped on My tree, come to think of it, Don't know If I really ever saw it bloom enough. and she grows more trees more then me to begin with. Guess i need to tell her to keep her hands off of Myyyy sack. trivia in the last sentence, i know someone knows. And no it's not that one, for those who's mind is in the gutter LOL. Think like a fly instead of a zippered fly, and you will find the answer.

Tom, Did you say you cut 90's with that foredom?

Thanks for sharing the pics, and insite. keep em coming, they are all very ineresting. really do Enjoy swapping ideas.

Greg
 
Would a Black n Decker RTX be suited enough for this? The dremel seems a little bit too light and the Foredom is out of my budget range. Anyone ever tried this?

Hadj
 
hadjcues said:
Would a Black n Decker RTX be suited enough for this? The dremel seems a little bit too light and the Foredom is out of my budget range. Anyone ever tried this?

Hadj

Be suprised about some of those dremels when mounted. they will wear out though like most other rotary tools, bearing and brushes mostly, but I fried one or two. I have one of the newer ones on my panto now, and It is holding decent tolerences after being used alot, and the bearings winding up every once in a while. don't know how long it will go without problems, will see.
I have'nt tried one of those little B&D versions, are they any good, and what to they sell for? I have never really been a big fan, but have to admit that I have one of the large cordless firestorm drills. Had It since they first came out, and still works great around the shop. Even put it through a week of driving long screws through pressure treated 2x6's, and a few times under my truck drilling and tapping holes, It's been dropped and beat around alittle. It's been through alot, and still works great, but not sure how good, day in, day out, in a trade where It gets beat around alot.
Guess i should check them out, I've seen them, but never took them seriously for some reason, if It's cheaper and good, I am sold.

Greg
 
Four Operations

Cue Crazy said:
Tom, Did you say you cut 90's with that foredom?

Yes, I can cut 90 degree with that setup and I can do it using my taper bars too. Just take the motor out of boring bar holder, put the holder on the tool post at 90 degrees and put the motor back in. I still use my laminate trimmer too on occation but I find myself using this setup more and more often because it is quick to set up and the noise is a lot less.

I thought it would be but the cable is not a bother to me at all and after I'm done I take the tool holder off and put in on the shelf ready to go again in the few seconds it takes to change a QC tool holder. I have a QC boring bar holder dedicated just for the Fordom motor so all I do is change bits.

Actually I get four uses from that setup, thread milling, cutoffs, turning and wrapping. That and the ease of setup is what makes it cost effective to me.

Tom
 
Cuesavvy said:
Cue Crazy said:
Tom, Did you say you cut 90's with that foredom?

Yes, I can cut 90 degree with that setup and I can do it using my taper bars too. Just take the motor out of boring bar holder, put the holder on the tool post at 90 degrees and put the motor back in. I still use my laminate trimmer too on occation but I find myself using this setup more and more often because it is quick to set up and the noise is a lot less.


Wow, I would think that would actually be harder to setup then the router with a 90 deg bit. do you have to hit 2 different angles for each groove? I understand using the taper bars, have done it with router, but the blade concept seems harder to setup to me. Something must line up better than I am imagining It I guess. i am assuming the same position will do both cuts or something?

I thought it would be but the cable is not a bother to me at all and after I'm done I take the tool holder off and put in on the shelf ready to go again in the few seconds it takes to change a QC tool holder. I have a QC boring bar holder dedicated just for the Fordom motor so all I do is change bits.

Yeah what ever way I go I want It dedicated like that, might have to see if I can find a deal on one and play around with It, did not realize they would run smooth enough with the cable.

Actually I get four uses from that setup, thread milling, cutoffs, turning and wrapping. That and the ease of setup is what makes it cost effective to me.
Tom


The cost effectiveness I am definatly with you on, I do like the idea of the bonus thread capabilty also, Another reason interested in something like this. I'd like to set My CS deluxe up with something like that in the future as well, but It does not have a thread count setup. ever heard of those frog controllers? Know anyone using one of those to control the feed for threading? Don't know much about them myself.


Greg
 
Cue Crazy said:
The cost effectiveness I am definatly with you on, I do like the idea of the bonus thread capabilty also, Another reason interested in something like this. I'd like to set My CS deluxe up with something like that in the future as well, but It does not have a thread count setup. ever heard of those frog controllers? Know anyone using one of those to control the feed for threading? Don't know much about them myself.


Greg

No, I don't know much at all about Frog controllers. I think I could see in my head a couple ways you might be able to adapt Chris's machine to do this. But I wonder if it would be worth the cost.

Greg, I'm not sure what your question is on the 90 degree cutter. When I turn shafts or butts or square stock with this set up I use it on a QC holder with motor at 90 degree to the chuck with a strait router bit. When I cutoff billets with this setup I could use it same way with a small diameter endmill but as you mentioned you get a lot of waste so I use it with the motor positioned parallel to the billet with .025 thick jewelers saw blade in it which would position the blade 90 degree to chuck. The variable speed helps keep the heat down on the plastics.

Its easy to set up, because your QC tool post should already be qualified and square to the centerline of the lathe. If so, you just just pop a QC tool holder on, bring up next to chuck to verify square and go.

I adapt as many tools as possible to the QC tool post. I made my taper attachment fit the QC tool post holder so that I don't have to remove the screw from my crosslide to allow the cutter to follow the taper bars. I just pop on my taper attachement and go. I have four lathes but my favorite one is very highly modified. If I had to, with that one lathe I could do all my operations including forearm grooves for veneered points and even some limited inlay work.

Somehow though I don't think I really understood your question, so I don't think these are the answers you are really looking for.

Tom

Tom
 
Cuesavvy said:
No, I don't know much at all about Frog controllers. I think I could see in my head a couple ways you might be able to adapt Chris's machine to do this. But I wonder if it would be worth the cost.

Greg, I'm not sure what your question is on the 90 degree cutter. When I turn shafts or butts or square stock with this set up I use it on a QC holder with motor at 90 degree to the chuck with a strait router bit. When I cutoff billets with this setup I could use it same way with a small diameter endmill but as you mentioned you get a lot of waste so I use it with the motor positioned parallel to the billet with .025 thick jewelers saw blade in it which would position the blade 90 degree to chuck. The variable speed helps keep the heat down on the plastics.

Its easy to set up, because your QC tool post should already be qualified and square to the centerline of the lathe. If so, you just just pop a QC tool holder on, bring up next to chuck to verify square and go.

I adapt as many tools as possible to the QC tool post. I made my taper attachment fit the QC tool post holder so that I don't have to remove the screw from my crosslide to allow the cutter to follow the taper bars. I just pop on my taper attachement and go. I have four lathes but my favorite one is very highly modified. If I had to, with that one lathe I could do all my operations including forearm grooves for veneered points and even some limited inlay work.

Somehow though I don't think I really understood your question, so I don't think these are the answers you are really looking for.

Tom

Tom




Yeah MY Bad, think I got caught with My head up my you know what on that one. I'm sorry bout the confusion Tom, thought you were talking about v grooves with your saw some how, reason I asked, I guess the 90 to material seemed like a gime to me, therefore was not sure If that was what you meant, or not. I'm with you now. I think I understand what you meen about the QC tool post crosslide setup for your tapers, basically makes It easier to engage to use the taper bars I assume? Is that what you are saying?
Altough I do need a couple of large floor lathes eventually when i get more room. I do have 5 lathes altogether myself now, not all setup yet, and some are wood lathe/cleaners. the reason I want to use the CS with the frog or something like it, is that It has the largest spindle bore of what I have to use right now, and it seems as If I have It running pretty true for the most part. I am having a few problems with the scroll on the front chuck sometimes wants to stick alittle. I have cleaned It out, and could not figure out why It was sticking, all the scroll gears/rack in the thing look fine, with no damage, but still sticking on me for some reason. It seems to center fine If I play with it, but sometimes I have to re-chuck a quite a few times. Sometimes It's on the money the first time. I think the thing got opened up too far a couple of weeks after we got It, and that caused it, been doing It every since. just can't find any damage, but does stick on the same spot every rotation of every turn when closing or opening the chuck. I thought About switching the back chuck out to the front since It gets used more, and the back one works great, Might have to bore the jaws though. I need to ask chris what He thinks, and what I should do. Chris, If you read this, please let me know what to look for If you have seen this happen before, hoping there is a way to fix It, but as I mentioned could not find any wear, therefore has Me kind of baffled. Also curious as to what a new chuck would cost should I need to replace, maybe I could just use the old one on a project or something, If a new one is not too much to replace. It does still work, use it everyday, just want to make sure It is as accurate as possible for what I am starting to use it for. You are welcome to PM me if Need Be.
I am happy the lathe though, matched My needs perfectly, and it does cut smoother tenon work then my metal if you can believe that. The large bore Is always nice out of a bench lathe also, don't even know where you can get anything that is not a floor standing model with that large a bore like It. Also easy to adapt mods to the lathe, I really like that. Don't think I'll ever have enough lathes, because I am just going to start dedicating them to specific tasks, as for the ease, and to speed things up, just have to solve My space issues, and looks Like I am going to have to make some big changes for that here soon.
I think the cs lathe I will use as you use the one in your Pics for some multi tasks. I have My little mill now, so have some Ideas on mods that include what we have been talking about, as well as mounts for indicators. tools that i can pop on and off. I have seen QC tool posts for taigs also, should mount right up. I have heard of controllers being used to run steppers for thread count on taigs, just curious as to what the results were, and If practical for use on wood cue threads. Whether it's worth pursueing or not. i have a thread count on one of my other lathes but the bore is too small for somethings. could probably set It up to do ferrule threads though. could probably also turn joint pins of some sorts. For the most part I am thinking of the handle forearm, butt cap that sort of thing that requires a larger bore sometimes. I just work with what I have to work with now, and try to keep adding and improving.
I am with you on the variable speed, some thermos and other plastics can be tough to work with if you can't control rpm. Also the amount of material removal the bit or blade has, seems to have some effect.
Anyway, looks like you have sqeezed quite a few operations out of that fordom, I for one am impressed, thanks for sharing.

Greg
 
Cue Crazy said:
The cost effectiveness I am definatly with you on, I do like the idea of the bonus thread capabilty also, Another reason interested in something like this. I'd like to set My CS deluxe up with something like that in the future as well, but It does not have a thread count setup. ever heard of those frog controllers? Know anyone using one of those to control the feed for threading? Don't know much about them myself.


Greg
I have installed the frog on my lathe a few years ago. It cut 18 threads or finer per inch okay. It would not cut coarser threads than 16 if I remember right. If you have one of my newer Deluxe lathes the gear rack thread pitch is 48 instead of 64. This would make the frog cut threads that were not right. You could make matching inside and outside threads, but they would not be 18 threads if you set the frog to 18 threads. It would cut more like 18 threads in 1.11 inches. There might be a way to set it but the older ones wouldn't. If you told it to move an inch it would move 1.11" Because of the different pitch and pinion gear diameter.
 
Cue Crazy said:
I am having a few problems with the scroll on the front chuck sometimes wants to stick alittle. I have cleaned It out, and could not figure out why It was sticking, all the scroll gears/rack in the thing look fine, with no damage, but still sticking on me for some reason. It seems to center fine If I play with it, but sometimes I have to re-chuck a quite a few times. Sometimes It's on the money the first time. I think the thing got opened up too far a couple of weeks after we got It, and that caused it, been doing It every since. just can't find any damage, but does stick on the same spot every rotation of every turn when closing or opening the chuck. I thought About switching the back chuck out to the front since It gets used more, and the back one works great, Might have to bore the jaws though. I need to ask chris what He thinks, and what I should do. Chris, If you read this, please let me know what to look for

Greg
Open the chuck back up by removing snap ring and back plate and look at the scroll on the back plate a little closer. Follow the scroll all the way to the end near the bore. You will find it bent the end very slightly and that is what is giving you the sticky spot every third of a turn. If you leave the key in the chuck and turn it on it will bugger that up on the end when it slams open at 1550 rpm. The chuck will still turn true unless that burr happens to be inside one of the jaws then it throws that jaw out of line. To fix it you have to file or sand it until you get rid of the small bent spot at the end of the scroll.
Chris
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cueman said:
I have installed the frog on my lathe a few years ago. It cut 18 threads or finer per inch okay. It would not cut coarser threads than 16 if I remember right. If you have one of my newer Deluxe lathes the gear rack thread pitch is 48 instead of 64. This would make the frog cut threads that were not right. You could make matching inside and outside threads, but they would not be 18 threads if you set the frog to 18 threads. It would cut more like 18 threads in 1.11 inches. There might be a way to set it but the older ones wouldn't. If you told it to move an inch it would move 1.11" Because of the different pitch and pinion gear diameter.




Chris,
Thanks, That's what I needed to know. Guess It could have it's uses, but maybe that would be a good one for one of My dedicaticated set ups instead. Wonder if It would run off a ball screw with the correct pitch, If i mounted one to the side, or if the carraige would bind on Me, probably bind huh. Are'nt you running that new taper atatchment off linear slides, ever think about modifing that design with a headstock for something like this? Should be able to get the pitch from a ballscrew correct? Not sure how cost effective to produce, but seems like It's posible to do. Actually you know what Chris, I got a better idea, and since you've helped out so much with questions and all over the years, Maybe I can to PM you with It, and If it's works, and you like it, It's yours to do what you want with. if not throw it in the trash.

Greg
 
cueman said:
Open the chuck back up by removing snap ring and back plate and look at the scroll on the back plate a little closer. Follow the scroll all the way to the end near the bore. You will find it bent the end very slightly and that is what is giving you the sticky spot every third of a turn. If you leave the key in the chuck and turn it on it will bugger that up on the end when it slams open at 1550 rpm. The chuck will still turn true unless that burr happens to be inside one of the jaws then it throws that jaw out of line. To fix it you have to file or sand it until you get rid of the small bent spot at the end of the scroll.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
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Cool, Thanks Chris,
Next time I break them down I am going to look closer as you mentioned. As I said they do still work, and can get them centered, just not easy. They were fine at first, and tight all of a sudden, I got them worked back in pretty good so they are useable, but still has alittle bit of stick. I have had then apart just could not see anything that stood out. Should help now that i know where this occurs, and where to focus the most attention to find It. I guess he must have spun it over with the bar in it and did not want to say, because I did think about that, and looked, but saw nothing on the bed that looked like It had occured. I know something happened, because not the way we received them, I have to be honest, just don't know what ocured. I love My dad, but sometimes I wonder which one of us is the bigger kid, so not so far out to think this might have occured. been using them for a long time like that so not to bad, just want them back perfect.
Do you think filing will change the centering, guess what I meen, is should I do a bore on the jaws afterwards to true them up for any difference?

Thanks again
Greg
 
Cuesavvy said:
I use a variable speed Foredom motor (1"OD) mounted in my Quick Change 1" boring bar holder. Put a 2" diameter jewelers saw in it and there you go. Easy tool changes too.

You can also use a strait router bit and put the motor in the boring bar holder and put it in the tool post at 90 degree for turning.

Since it is a variable speed motor I also use it at the other end of the lathe attached to my live center for my wrap motor. Just make some pullys out of delrin get a vacume cleaner belt.

I'll post some pics later if anyone interested.

Tom

I use the Foredom also. I can mount it horizontal or vertical. Very handy tool.
 

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Cue Crazy said:
Cool, Thanks Chris,
Next time I break them down I am going to look closer as you mentioned. As I said they do still work, and can get them centered, just not easy. They were fine at first, and tight all of a sudden, I got them worked back in pretty good so they are useable, but still has alittle bit of stick. I have had then apart just could not see anything that stood out. Should help now that i know where this occurs, and where to focus the most attention to find It. I guess he must have spun it over with the bar in it and did not want to say, because I did think about that, and looked, but saw nothing on the bed that looked like It had occured. I know something happened, because not the way we received them, I have to be honest, just don't know what ocured. I love My dad, but sometimes I wonder which one of us is the bigger kid, so not so far out to think this might have occured. been using them for a long time like that so not to bad, just want them back perfect.
Do you think filing will change the centering, guess what I meen, is should I do a bore on the jaws afterwards to true them up for any difference?

Thanks again
Greg

No. Filing it will get it back to where it is not effecting centering. Make sure all users know better than to leave key in chuck after opening or closing.
 
Murray Tucker said:
I use the Foredom also. I can mount it horizontal or vertical. Very handy tool.

I never heard of Foredoms until today. I looked for them on the web and ebay. It seems they come in several different horsepower and different handles. There was one that was rated at less rpm (5,000) but was permanent magnet (for higher torque. I have a 7x12 that I do tips and ferrules on. I would like to get one of these, but don't want to find out I got the wrong size after I get it. Also Where do those tiny 60 degree cutters come from? Can they be sharpened, if not, how long do they last?

Tracy
 
Thread Mill Cutters

RSB-Refugee said:
I never heard of Foredoms until today. I looked for them on the web and ebay. It seems they come in several different horsepower and different handles. There was one that was rated at less rpm (5,000) but was permanent magnet (for higher torque. I have a 7x12 that I do tips and ferrules on. I would like to get one of these, but don't want to find out I got the wrong size after I get it. Also Where do those tiny 60 degree cutters come from? Can they be sharpened, if not, how long do they last?

Tracy

The thread mill cutter comes from MSC Industrial supply PN-81262248
or www.mscdirect.com

Most wood carving sites carry the Foredom motors. Just look for best buy. I think mine has a 18K rpm and 5' shaft. You will want the model that accepts 1/4" collet cutters.

Tom
 
Cuesavvy said:
The thread mill cutter comes from MSC Industrial supply PN-81262248
or www.mscdirect.com

Most wood carving sites carry the Foredom motors. Just look for best buy. I think mine has a 18K rpm and 5' shaft. You will want the model that accepts 1/4" collet cutters.

Tom

Thanks Tom, I wasn't sure if I should go for speed or torque. I probabaly would have gone with the wrong one ;)

Tracy
 
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