Predator Willie Hoppe Limited Edition Cue...Great Condition!

bassin91 said:
You've missed the point altogether. A successful deal ends with both parties happy. I am not and you've done nothing to make it right. Really nothing more to say.
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You said you contacted the seller 11 days after you received the cue. Why didn't you contact him the first day you received it and were unhappy with the condition?? That is just too long, unless there is a good reason why. I think 7 days max and in 99% of the sales, the deal is final.
 
It's not that bad but I'm not happy with the deal.

I will sell it and if the buyer is not happy with the cue they can send it back for a full refund minus the shipping. That is the way I work all my deals. As it should be I believe.
 
hustler4483 said:
Lol everybody jumps to conclusions based on one side; there are three sides to every story, post the whole discussion, do not just pick points which were still manipulated and not quoted, I got the cue from jshawn81 two days before I sold it and he will confirm the description.....you can't return a cue a few weeks later, I don't know what it was exposed to, how it was kept, etc, and what I said was that I have a great reputation and if he would like to try and tarnish it by false claims then so be it, I sell what I advertise and don't falsify anything....my two cents and won't argue anymore what I know what a GREAT deal
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Speaking of jumping to conclusions. Why would you assume that Bassin91 has subjected the cue to something harmful ? Maybe he just took it out of the box and carefully placed it into a cue case. From my experience of buying and selling Bassin91 is right and the seller does have a responsibility to make sure the buyer is happy with the purchase. He sent you the money in good faith that he would be happy with the cue and he did not know he was unhappy until he received it. I think a better plan of action would be to agree to accept the cue back for a refund less shipping ( assuming the cue is sent back to you as it was sent). Of course if the cue comes back to you
in less condition than it was sent that would be a entirely different matter but at least give the guy a chance and show some class by standing behind what you sell and
show him and other potential buyers that you are interested in their end of the deal. In the long run treating others as you would like to be treated will pay dividends.
 
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No worries d Lewis. It's not a piece of junk at all just not satisfied with the way the deal went down. Let me know.
 
The cue was perfect when sent, not arguing with those who were not privy to the condition upon sending, please allow jshawn81 to comment, he just messages me saying this is ridiculous
 
Personally,I feel after 11 days its a deal done.Maybe you didn't like the way it played,
which in my eyes is not just cause to get a refund or a deal reversal.
If I sent back every cue I played bad with,I would have to open my own private
postal company.:)
In all seriousness 11 days is just to long imo.Goodluck
 
scsuxci said:
In all seriousness 11 days is just to long imo.Goodluck
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I agree. If I purchase something I at least check it out the day it arrives to make sure I bought something as advertised and it wasn't damaged in shipping. Waiting 11 days would sound suspicious to me if I were the seller.
 
This has nothing in the world to do with playing bad with a cue. I play equally as bad with just about every cue I've owned. It does have everything to do with good business. If you think 11 days is to long that is your opinion and your entitled to it.

I know if I sell you a cue and after you had a chance to inspect it and where unhappy for whatever reason I would take it back. The fact that you contacted me 11 days later would not matter one bit but this is how I choose to do business.
 
I had no reason to believe the cue was anything less than what was advertised and I had hoped to get to check it out before I did but life sometimes gets in the way. I do respect your opinion though.

Thank you azdiamondback. I wish that everyone thought the way you do.
 
bassin91 said:
This has nothing in the world to do with playing bad with a cue. I play equally as bad with just about every cue I've owned. It does have everything to do with good business. If you think 11 days is to long that is your opinion and your entitled to it.

I know if I sell you a cue and after you had a chance to inspect it and where unhappy for whatever reason I would take it back. The fact that you contacted me 11 days later would not matter one bit but this is how I choose to do business.
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I respect if that's how you do business,just trying to explain that the sellers issues seems
to be with the timeline.I don't think its fair to knock him because he conducts
his business different then yours.
This stuff should of been discussed before the deal was finalized as well as
return conditions.
 
bassin91 said:
I had no reason to believe the cue was anything less than what was advertised and I had hoped to get to check it out before I did but life sometimes gets in the way. I do respect your opinion though.

Thank you azdiamondback. I wish that everyone thought the way you do.
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Your only saying that cause he agrees with you:wink:Just joking around
 
bassin91 said:
This has nothing in the world to do with playing bad with a cue. I play equally as bad with just about every cue I've owned. It does have everything to do with good business. If you think 11 days is to long that is your opinion and your entitled to it.

I know if I sell you a cue and after you had a chance to inspect it and where unhappy for whatever reason I would take it back. The fact that you contacted me 11 days later would not matter one bit but this is how I choose to do business.
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Honestly dude.....how many people on this site would give the 11 day "try it, dont like it" return policy?
You also said you didn't like the way the deal went down and that is the reason you want to return it.
So which is it? A cue that was sold not as described or you didn't like the deal?
If it was not as described then why 11 days?
If it was that you didn't like the way the deal went down then why do the deal in the first place?
All of my vibes on this tell me that it is YOU that needs to re-evaluate how YOU feel others should conduct business here.
In my opinion.....your return policy is too generous for your own good but it is your policy and you are certainly entitiled to it.
To expect that same policy of others would require that it be agreed to by both parties before the deal is finalized.
 
The bad part of the deal was that it's not, in my opinion ,as described. There's no two reasons here. If the cue was as described this doesnt see the light of day. I had other things going on and didn't get to check it out right away. I even told the seller this but I do except some responsibility for waiting the 11 days. The issue is not necessarily the timeline but that we do not agree on the condition. Condition can be subjective.
Throw the 11 days out and I think you still have a responsibility to the buyer and the deal to make things right.
 
bassin91 said:
Throw the 11 days out and I think you still have a responsibility to the buyer and the deal to make things right.
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I'm fairly certain if you contacted the seller immediately upon receipt he would have taken it back. The big variable is the 11 days so you cannot throw it out.
 
And this is not a "try it" for awhile and if you don't like the hit return it thing. I checked the condition as soon as I could and it's not near new in my opinion. It's pretty common on this site and many others that if the buyer is not in agreement on condition to just return it. Pretty simple I think.
 
Re: Predator - 07-17-2013, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bassin91
Any thoughts on sending me a cue that is slightly warped without letting me know first? Id like to know before I leave feedback for you. This is the second PM sent about this issue. Thanks.
I appreciate the persistence, I did not respond the first time as I wanted to think through a response without just reacting hastily. The cue was not warped upon sending, you took several weeks before you even visited a pool hall to roll the cue, I don't know how it was stored or what conditions the cue was exposed to prior to anything.

JShawn81 was also a witness that the cue was pristene and nothing to report upon sending, I look forward to him chiming in as confirmation.

I sent JsHAWN81 two cues, one was pristene and the other had a tarnish which I noted and he very much appreciated my honesty, I do not bait and switch nor do I falsify any other information.

I have a strong reputation, if you feel the need to tarnish it, that is your opinion, hopefully the 16 other deals done to date will trump a poor feedback score.

Pete
Hey Pete that cue was straight as a gun barrel just let me know what I need to do
 
bassin91 said:
And this is not a "try it" for awhile and if you don't like the hit return it thing. I checked the condition as soon as I could and it's not near new in my opinion. It's pretty common on this site and many others that if the buyer is not in agreement on condition to just return it. Pretty simple I think.
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There was not an agreement on the condition pre sale, so it seems. The seller claims it was like new when sold. You kept it for 11 days without a peep. You contact the seller to claim is isn't as advertised, 11 days later. The seller thinks you did something to the cue in the 11 days you had it to cause it to now be less than like new condition and refuses to take it back. If I were the seller, I do not think I would accept a return at this point and I'm sure most members that sell regularly would agree.
 
hustler4483 said:
Re: Predator - 07-17-2013, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hustler4483
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Originally Posted by bassin91
Any thoughts on sending me a cue that is slightly warped without letting me know first? Id like to know before I leave feedback for you. This is the second PM sent about this issue. Thanks.
I appreciate the persistence, I did not respond the first time as I wanted to think through a response without just reacting hastily. The cue was not warped upon sending, you took several weeks before you even visited a pool hall to roll the cue, I don't know how it was stored or what conditions the cue was exposed to prior to anything.

JShawn81 was also a witness that the cue was pristene and nothing to report upon sending, I look forward to him chiming in as confirmation.

I sent JsHAWN81 two cues, one was pristene and the other had a tarnish which I noted and he very much appreciated my honesty, I do not bait and switch nor do I falsify any other information.

I have a strong reputation, if you feel the need to tarnish it, that is your opinion, hopefully the 16 other deals done to date will trump a poor feedback score.

Pete
Hey Pete that cue was straight as a gun barrel just let me know what I need to do
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Either the cue was stored in less than favorable conditions once received or it was subject to extreme conditions during shipping. Was the cue shipped overnight?
 
bassin91 said:
The bad part of the deal was that it's not, in my opinion ,as described. There's no two reasons here. If the cue was as described this doesnt see the light of day. I had other things going on and didn't get to check it out right away. I even told the seller this but I do except some responsibility for waiting the 11 days. The issue is not necessarily the timeline but that we do not agree on the condition. Condition can be subjective.
Throw the 11 days out and I think you still have a responsibility to the buyer and the deal to make things right.
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Condition of a used cue IS subjective. A lot can happen to a cue in 11 days. You probably ought to just suck it up and consider this a learning experience.
I'm sure that the cue will sell here or on the Bay if you list it. Maybe you take a loss and maybe not.
Some of the best lessons I've learned buying and selling cues have ended up costing me a fair chunk of cash. I try to keep those costs to a minimum now by covering the bases but I still have to pay some dues from time to time. Still have not mastered the "cover all the bases" thing :wink:
After I count my losses and look at it logically, I often come to the conclusion that I was as much to blame as anyone else for those losses.
Move on and keep working your way towards becoming a trusted guy here....your I-Trades so far are an indication that you headed in the right direction.
 
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