Preparing for Cities

There most certainly are two schools of thought about time-outs, and I understand them both. We as players should be able to let ourselves take input from other players as to what might be a good option or plan. A second set of eyes is almost always a good thing, in any endeavor.

The contrast to that is what you folks have already discussed, the mental aspect of having your thought process and rythymn interrupted mid-game by having the time-out called for you. I have had a very difficult time explaining this to my best bud, who cannot undertsand why it throws me off as much as it does. Or why other players are resistant to time-outs.

He is a FAR better player than I will likely ever be, and much of the time can show people the better option. (I say much of the time because occasionally he forgets to temper the suggested advice to the ability of the shooter, heh heh. :p ) And I know it frustrates him to have people resist getting help from someone that can truly help them. He really is good at teaching, and I think he would likely make a good professional instructor if he ever cared to do so. So when we either don't take a time-out voluntarily or get annoyed when it's called on us, that frustrates him.

Of course, as we get into the Vegas qualifier time-frame, every match is very important. It is the captains responsibilty to the entire team to put us all in the best postion to win, and if a player is going to make an obviously poor decision, it really is in the teams best interest to have a time-out called. Especially at this time of year.

Tough balancing act.

I go into this understand full well why it's important to have the right decision when possible, and why a time-out is in order. And that it isn't to show me up, or to aggravate me, only to help. That doesn't make me any less happier than when mine has already been called, so I don't have to worry about it any longer. :p Not a very rational thought, but it's all mine.

having been on both sides of the fence i agree its a tough balancing act. sometimes i feel as frustrated as your friend. i want our lower level players to win especially my gf and it is hard to sit there knowing thr=ey are making a mistake. like i said we work on those mistakes when the matches are over.

last week i knew my gf was going to get in bad shape but i didnt say anything. sure enough she makes her last ball and doesnt know what to do with the 8 so she calls timeout. im walking up to the table thinking that if i had called timeout earlier she wouldnt be in the shape shes in.

after looking the situation over i told her what to do, she said she couldnt make that shot. i kindly told her it was her best option and that if she didnt trust my advice that she should not have called me up there. i gave her a pat and said i know you can make it. that seemed to build her confidence up and she said ok. wwhen the 8 got about a foot from the pocket and it was obvous it was going to fall our captian yells out holy crap ! he said that was an amazing shot lol. my gf jumps up and down saying i made it ! that makes me feel better than winning my own match.
 
In an attempt to put this thread back in the original direction, check out what I just found out recently.

Almost the entire area covered by our LO plays APA 8-ball on 9-footers.

Guess what we're gonna play our state Vegas-qualifier on?

Yep, 7-footers.

Apparently there is a new room (or newly re-done, not sure, its at the other end of the state from here) that has these 7-footers, and if I read it correctly they are newer tables. (I still haven't gotten the lowdown on what brand, but I'm hoping my memory isn't playing tricks on me and they were indeed Diamonds... maybe.)

So almost all the players in this league are going to play the qualifier on tables they are completely un-used to. Yes, I know, if we actually make it to Vegas, that's what the games are played on. It's still a bit unsettling to have this dropped on us.

There are 2 beat up 7 footers in a dive bar here in town. The only ones in many miles. Gonna be an adventure for all of us...

Now I have to acclimate myself to a game I've never played. In less than two weeks. Fortunately pretty much everybody I'm likely to play is in the same boat.

Fa la la la laaaaaaa

*** edit *** My memory does serve, they do have Diamonds, at least. The place does look pretty nice.
http://302barandgrille.com/billiards

Oh well. It will certainly be interesting. States on 12 tables. Wheeeeeee (Maybe they'll put in more. I hope.)

for yoursake i hope they are diamonds. they play more like 9 's than the crappy old vallets we play on. the shorter distances means you will have better chance to pocket your longer shots. the biggest disadvantage is the balls will be more clustered, try to get your balls out of clusters as soon as you can. sometimes i will miss an easy shot to try a harder one to break a cluster hoping to at least leave my ball hanging for the next tme im up , depending on the layout and what i think my opponents chances to run out are. good luck dub.
 
Practice 9 ball safeties. Ball in hand is huge in apa and defense is what takes teams to lv.

For 8ball the three ball run out drill someone else posted is good. If your a 7 that plays runout pool than I'd focus on helping your teammates with defensive play. Every team I've ever seen win cities played defensive pool to do it.
 
Practice 9 ball safeties. Ball in hand is huge in apa and defense is what takes teams to lv.

For 8ball the three ball run out drill someone else posted is good. If your a 7 that plays runout pool than I'd focus on helping your teammates with defensive play. Every team I've ever seen win cities played defensive pool to do it.

Ah, but how to successfully play safeties on small tables with big pockets? I know, a good safety is a good safety, and makes it tougher for your opponent to make their shot. I love playing them, actually. Even "leaving them long" is somewhat of a safety, especially in lower-level league play. At least on a 9-footer... :embarrassed2:

I'm letting this whole table-size thing get to me, methinks. It's just unsettling to have the whole concept upended on us, so close to the event. It is a different game on a 7-footer than on a 9-footer, especially for folks like me that aren't that experienced and haven't played on the small boxes before.
 
Ah, but how to successfully play safeties on small tables with big pockets? I know, a good safety is a good safety, and makes it tougher for your opponent to make their shot. I love playing them, actually. Even "leaving them long" is somewhat of a safety, especially in lower-level league play. At least on a 9-footer... :embarrassed2:

I'm letting this whole table-size thing get to me, methinks. It's just unsettling to have the whole concept upended on us, so close to the event. It is a different game on a 7-footer than on a 9-footer, especially for folks like me that aren't that experienced and haven't played on the small boxes before.

If you were looking for some pool tips on playing bar tables you could click here.
 
i agree with you. theres not much you can improve on in a day or 2.

our team has an understanding that no one but the player shooting calls time out. there is nothing worse than you start to make a shot and some one calls a time out. it has the same effect as your opponent sharking you in my opinion.

I have to disagree on calling timeouts, on low skill levels the coach should call them, lower level people will only want a time out when there totally screwed and there's nothing you can do to help them.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. We practiced the breaks and safeties and setup some common shots before we just shot s few racks. The practice went great, the second round not so much. I don't want to start another apa bashing thread but after this weekend I really wish there was another option for us here other than apa.

Here is how our match went. First match they put up a 2 we countered with a 2. Their 2 won, 14-6, she shot like a decent 2 and our 2 was nervous as could be. Her first time in cities, and it took a while for her to calm down. When she finally calmed down she made a few balls but was down too much to get back in it.

Second match we put up our 4, then countered with a 5, it was a good match back and forth and either one could have won, with our 4 winning 13-7. So now we are down 21 -19 going into the 3rd match. The 3rd match is where its gets bad. They throw a 7 we match with our 7. After the 3rd rack our 7 was down 17-14. From there out our 7 made 3 more balls over 5 innings to get destroyed 18-2 in 20 innings total with 6 safeties by there 7 and 7 by our 7. Then it just got even better after than. We put up our 5, they countered with a 2. The 2 beat our 5 19-1 in 11 innings total, and our 5 playing 4 safeties. Their 2 banked in 2 consecutive balls and had a 6 ball run and a 5 ball run. So there it was, we got beat 58 -22 with one match not even played.

Again I don't want to start another APA bashing, sandbagging thread, but its frustrating. We play all year for a chance to get into cities and then to loss like that is just frustrating.
 
If you were looking for some pool tips on playing bar tables you could click here.

I did. Thanks for the link. I remember reading that thread the first time. Finally it applies to me!

The good news is that these are supposed to be fairly new Diamond 7-footers, so at least the tables should be in good shape. Does anyone know what type of cue-ball system is used standardly on such a table? Will it be an oversized one, the heavier magnet style, or a more conventional cue-ball? I can't just drop in and check it out, as this room is over 100 miles away. (And even at that I'm tempted to take a road trip to see for myself, other than the fact that gasoline is $4 a gallon. :( )
 
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. We practiced the breaks and safeties and setup some common shots before we just shot s few racks. The practice went great, the second round not so much. I don't want to start another apa bashing thread but after this weekend I really wish there was another option for us here other than apa.

Here is how our match went. First match they put up a 2 we countered with a 2. Their 2 won, 14-6, she shot like a decent 2 and our 2 was nervous as could be. Her first time in cities, and it took a while for her to calm down. When she finally calmed down she made a few balls but was down too much to get back in it.

Second match we put up our 4, then countered with a 5, it was a good match back and forth and either one could have won, with our 4 winning 13-7. So now we are down 21 -19 going into the 3rd match. The 3rd match is where its gets bad. They throw a 7 we match with our 7. After the 3rd rack our 7 was down 17-14. From there out our 7 made 3 more balls over 5 innings to get destroyed 18-2 in 20 innings total with 6 safeties by there 7 and 7 by our 7. Then it just got even better after than. We put up our 5, they countered with a 2. The 2 beat our 5 19-1 in 11 innings total, and our 5 playing 4 safeties. Their 2 banked in 2 consecutive balls and had a 6 ball run and a 5 ball run. So there it was, we got beat 58 -22 with one match not even played.

Again I don't want to start another APA bashing, sandbagging thread, but its frustrating. We play all year for a chance to get into cities and then to loss like that is just frustrating.

We had a great 9 ball tournament this past weekend. Great until the last round you can lose before you are out and a team we know to be sandbaggers dumps to us and I have a player go up. Same match, my wife (worst player in the world, routinely misses ball in hand, was a SL1 for YEARS in 9 ball) plays a match against another woman 19-19 race and wins 19-2. Blatent dumped and its going to screw us.

That player going up combined with some of our other wins is putting us under review, we won the tournament but we have to wait on the APA to make their decision.

We had one complaint about our player, a 3 who is so bad I wanted to kick him off of the team but couldnt because of regionals hit a shot hard with draw and got perfect 1 foot shape on his next ball. He then pounded that ball straight into the rail because he sucks. They complained about the draw and said he was not accurately ranked. In the match at that time, he was down 19-6 to another 3.

YAY!
 
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