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Chadk

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How many of you have had any type of formal instruction with your playing. I'm interested in Randy's school but probably wouldnt be able to swing the $ for the 3 day course. Is the one day, one on one, experience worth the $, or are there other options for personal instruction? (Dal, Tx)
 
How many of you have had any type of formal instruction with your playing. I'm interested in Randy's school but probably wouldnt be able to swing the $ for the 3 day course. Is the one day, one on one, experience worth the $, or are there other options for personal instruction? (Dal, Tx)


Find the best player in your local room and offer to play him cheap if you can ask questions. If he's the articulate sort, offer him $50 or $100 for an hour or two of instruction. Another good idea is to buy some Accu-Stats matches. You get to watch two great players and the commentary of two more -- great stuff. Personally, I've taken lessons from Steve "The Cookie Monster" Cook and Dallas West. Getting to ask great players anything you want about the game is priceless. I hope to take a lesson next year from Ray Martin.

Lou Figueroa
 
IMHO it is all about how much information can you soak up at a TIME. Me I am good for about 1 hour, after that I seem to forget most of the stuff thrown at me after 1 hour.

I think a LESSON to build or correct your Basics is cool, after that buy INSTRUCTIONAL DVD's you can view over, and over.

IMHO with a Good DVD, the more you watch it the more you are able to absorbe.

If I had the Money for a THREE DAY POOL SCHOOL. I would spend it on something else.

JMHO as there are so many GREAT Instructional DVD's out there too choose from be in Banking, Kicks, Cue Ball Control, etc. Plus your refresher course is a close as a DVD Player, and TV. JMHO
 
I've had lessons from three former world champions and one road player, all many, many years ago. Ray Martin, Jim Rempe, Grady Mathews, and Gary Pinkowski. If I were to do it again now {and I may in the near future} my choices would be Stan Shuffett, Joe Tucker, Jerry Brieseth, Mark Wilson, or David Sapolis {BlackJack on AZ}.
 
YES.

Simply, yes.

Infact, I have often wondered what exactly I should say to someone who asks this question and convince them to seekl essons from a pro.

I started playing a little over 3 years ago in an APA league. I was a 3 in 2009 and an inconsistent 4 in 2010. I already have an issue with the attitudes of a lot of pool players, especially the lower players in the APA, because of the bar-room blue-collar close-mindedness. And, they give such terrible, terrible advice. So terrible, that you will develop habits that take months of work to break later on. Some personal examples were to avoid following through on a stroke because the other team might call a "push" foul on you, never apply English unless the ball is next to the pocket, an elevated cue stick produces more draw, hitting the ball hard produces more action, and I'm sure a lot of other things that I don't want to remember. They promote their feeling of satisfaction that they never had to take any lessons, and that you're quite lucky to be taken in under their wing. It's difficult to really know what a bad trap this is if you're a beginner because the pool (or cue sports in general) industry is not very popular in the United States.

I had to travel out of the burbs to Providence and play a few times there for me to realize where my game stood; the players were worlds better than the players in the APA. There someone told me to visit Joe Tucker. For $300 I spent over 6 hours at his house on a Saturday receiving information that I could use to practice for the next 10 years. $300 is about the price of a nice golf club, a cue, an entry level guitar, or any other small investment. A small price to pay for knowledge.

You also learn humility. I'm confident that I'm an average C player now, but APA players think I'm a 7 or an 8. One even thought I was a pro. I know that it'll take me about 3 years of consistent practice to reach a B speed, and that's great. I'm in no rush, I know what I'm doing, I know what I need to do to improve, I don't get frustrated anymore, and most importantly, I'm having fun with the journey!
 
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I've heard nothing but GREAT things about Randy's school, but again, I just dont think that kind of $ is feasable for me. Is there anyone around the Dallas Texas area anyone could reccomend for me to at least look into? I'd just like someone to look at my fundamentals for starters and see if there is anything that sticks out that could be hindering me.
I am just beginning my DVD collection and have a few of the early Byrne DVD I'm working on. I'll continue to grow that library and try to soak up all I can.
Thanks for the comments!
 
I've heard nothing but GREAT things about Randy's school, but again, I just dont think that kind of $ is feasable for me. Is there anyone around the Dallas Texas area anyone could reccomend for me to at least look into? I'd just like someone to look at my fundamentals for starters and see if there is anything that sticks out that could be hindering me.
I am just beginning my DVD collection and have a few of the early Byrne DVD I'm working on. I'll continue to grow that library and try to soak up all I can.
Thanks for the comments!

From what I've read and heard about Randy G, I bet if you were to tell him your situation he could tailor something or recommend someone to you. He seems like a great guy and I've heard nothing but great things about him. I'm in San Antonio and am planning on attending his school one day.
 
YES.

Simply, yes.

Infact, I have often wondered what exactly I should say to someone who asks this question and convince them to seekl essons from a pro.

I started playing a little over 3 years ago in an APA league. I was a 3 in 2009 and an inconsistent 4 in 2010. I already have an issue with the attitudes of a lot of pool players, especially the lower players in the APA, because of the bar-room blue-collar close-mindedness. And, they give such terrible, terrible advice. So terrible, that you will develop habits that take months of work to break later on. Some personal examples were to avoid following through on a stroke because the other team might call a "push" foul on you, never apply English unless the ball is next to the pocket, an elevated cue stick produces more draw, hitting the ball hard produces more action, and I'm sure a lot of other things that I don't want to remember. They promote their feeling of satisfaction that they never had to take any lessons, and that you're quite lucky to be taken in under their wing. It's difficult to really know what a bad trap this is if you're a beginner because the pool (or cue sports in general) industry is not very popular in the United States.

I had to travel out of the burbs to Providence and play a few times there for me to realize where my game stood; the players were worlds better than the players in the APA. There someone told me to visit Joe Tucker. For $300 I spent over 6 hours at his house on a Saturday receiving information that I could use to practice for the next 10 years. $300 is about the price of a nice golf club, a cue, an entry level guitar, or any other small investment. A small price to pay for knowledge.

You also learn humility. I'm confident that I'm an average C player now, but APA players think I'm a 7 or an 8. One even thought I was a pro. I know that it'll take me about 3 years of consistent practice to reach a B speed, and that's great. I'm in no rush, I know what I'm doing, I know what I need to do to improve, I don't get frustrated anymore, and most importantly, I'm having fun with the journey!


Man you hit the nail on the head. This is my first season of APA and really first year to play (seriously). I'm about 10 games in, ranked a 3, (cuz i cant go any lower) getting spanked by everyone. Some people in the bar's are very helpful and I'm very appreciative of those folks. Some are pure Aholes. But I have often thought of the "bad" advice i may be receiving.

I just got a my first table at home. I am hitting around 150 ball's a day. Most of the "drills" i see on you tube are just too difficult for my skill level right now. I like the progressive drill where you randomly throw out 3 balls and try to run. Then 4, and so on. Miss 4, go back to three. I also like just filling the table and trying to sink as best I can in no certain sequence.

I guess I'm just kind of looking for what the things are that I need to focus on primarally to make the most of my time and try and speed the learning curve up as much as possible.

For instance is hitting balls ever night a waste of time if I'm not doing the right "drills"??

thanks guys!
 
I guess I'm just kind of looking for what the things are that I need to focus on primarally to make the most of my time and try and speed the learning curve up as much as possible.

For instance is hitting balls ever night a waste of time if I'm not doing the right "drills"??

thanks guys!

I'm excited for this post because I get to regurgitate some of the things that I've digested myself. What I am about to tell you is coming from someone who is only a few years ahead of you. I'm not as good as some of the players on this site, but what I do have is the fresh memory of my learning curve that perhaps has gotten foggy in time with the more experienced players.

I would go every Monday, take some balls, throw them out on the table, and try to pocket them. I'd do this for hours. Maybe I'd try a drill I learned from someone or saw online, but would get bored and go back to hitting balls. Anyway, the nights that I would pocket lots of balls I would feel like I was improving, and then another nights I wouldn't pocket any balls. When this would happen, I felt like I needed to made an adjustment. So I would change my stance, hold the cue in a different way, ask if eye dominance was important, touch my chin to the cue, stand up more, stand sideways, stand square on, follow through too much, stop following through, yada yada, for years.

I was improving, but very very slowly, and more like a roller coaster.

I was missing two very important concepts.

The first one was feedback. Sure, I was using some sort of feedback... the pocketing of my object ball. And I was ONLY paying attention to the pocketing of my object ball. I would hit the cue ball, and then look at my intended pocket, stand up in anticipation, and wait for it to fall. Then I would look at where the cue ball ended up. When the cue ball ended up good for the next shot, it would boost my confidence. When it ended up bad, then I would feel bad, and think that everything I was doing must be wrong.

What I learned to do (through Joe Tucker's instruction) was focus, instead, on the cue ball / object ball collision. Focus like a cat. Focus so intensely that a laser beam comes out of my pupils and burns a small black hole in space of where I want by cue ball to end up. "Don't go blind after the shot" he says. I may flutter by eyes back and forth between the cue ball and object ball once or twice while I'm getting comfortable and situated, but my final stroke damn sure has a well known cue ball target. And I watch to make sure it hits its target. I stopped caring what my body looked like, as long as I made the cue ball go to its target.

Watching to make sure the cue ball actually ends up where you are aiming provides the feedback you need to learn properly. This brings me to the second concept: subconscious competence.

Your consciousness is simply not capable of performing repeatable motor skills. It simply isn't. This was a hard and stubborn lesson to learn. But it makes sense. Try throwing a baseball using only conscious effort, or driving a car. Sure you use your consciousness to make decisions, like how far away your catcher is, or that you need to get off at the next exit. But your arms and feet are moved by muscle which is controlled by your subconsciousness. If you try to intervene using your consciousness (by "thinking" about it), your physical pertubation will loose consistency. You ALLOW your subconsciousness to use its competence, and you TRUST it. (You trusted it to drive you to the pool hall with out crashing your car.)

Same thing for cue sports. There are hundreds of aiming systems available. And people will argue which one is the best. They even argue on this forum. ANY aiming system will work if it is successful in distracting your consciousness from interfering with your subconscious competence. This is because the aiming system forces you to make some sort of decision (ghost ball location, contact point, pivot, CTE, praying, whatever), and allows room for all of your experience with the pool table to bubble up and slightly modify your conscious decision. People may refer to this as "feel", but it isn't magic, its just psychology (though it must still be learned from years of practice).

So I became aware of these two things and started using them, along with an aiming system that my brain likes. I approach the shot, choose which discrete unit of my aiming system the current shot represents, go down into the shot, feel comfortable with the fact that my brain is using me as a puppet and allow it to modify my chosen discrete aiming system unit if it wants to, stroke, watch the cue ball make contact, and then analyze the results. If I was too far right or left, then I say to myself "Oops, I chose the wrong number [of my aiming system]". I'll remember that next time." After a while, you will find that a direct hit on the targetyour brain chooses results in a pocketed ball as well as proper cue ball position.

Now, for the cue ball position, there are lots of drills you SHOULD do. But this is all food for your brain. If you feed it, it'll bubble back up when you need it to.

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Other small things that I learned separately from this that helped me:
- Learn not to move your head during your stroke.
- Learn not to stand up until the cue ball hits the object ball.
- Learn what a clean and full follow through feels like and do it every time, even when you are nervous
- You don't need to shoot very hard to get a lot of follow or draw
- Spin is your best friend. Learn to use it all of the time.
- Find a comfortable stance that doesn't hurt.
- Learn that you can't pocket every ball. Play a safety.
- Get the hell away from bar rules.
- Get the hell away from bar tables and go to 9-foot tables if you can.
- Get your own cue and always use your own cue for practice. Joe recommends a low deflection shaft, especially for beginners, because squirt is less prominent. I agree, and the proof is in my avatar.


I hope this helps. I had fun writing it.
 
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Man you sound so much like me in your earlier years. Some nights strokes are good and I can go to bed feeling like a million bucks and that my game is improving. Some nights when things dont go exactly as planned its depressing and I think "I must be doing something wrong". I think Tournament play may be actually hindering my game a little. First reason is that due to the fact that I'm only getting a couple of games in on that (one of few) night every week rather than playing game after game on that evening. Second is the extreme pressure I'm putting on myself, especially after my loosing streak continues to grow. Tournament pressure is getting to me.

Now I have a table at home for more than two or three weeks. I can honestly say that I dont think i have missed a day with at least a little time on the table. Most days substantial time.

I do have a MidGrade McDermott cue with the I3 LD shaft.
 
i had a couple of lessons from a professional player and paid a LOT of $$$$$. did not get too much out of the total of 4 hours. then got a qualified instructor and had the first 2 hour lesson about a month ago and it improved my game close to 50%. i had a real problem with my stroke but could not figure out what it was. the instructor saw the problem in the 1st 5 minutes! had my second 2 hr lesson from him yesterday. i've been playing more than 40 yrs but learned some "jaw-dropping" things. i would suggest only 2 hr lessons as you are, or should be, getting a lot of info to absorb. try to do a one on one rather than as a group, IMO. going to have an 8 ball tournament this evening and going to try all that i have learned. i will say, it will take some practice with all the new things you learn as your muscles have to re-learn.
good luck
 
Intructors

Get a lesson from the best instructor you can afford. Ask around for recommendations on instructors that really do know what they are talking about. Learn the correct fundamentals and the rest will come much easier. There is a lot of bad info out there. Randy G. & Co. are the nuts ,if you can't swing them then maybe they will point you towards someone else. Listen to Randy, Scott or Jerry and you won't go wrong.

The Best of Luck & Good Shootin'
 
Call Randy, and meet with him and Oz at their school. See which one you could learn better from since we all learn different and different instructors will be able to teach us more because of learning skills. If you can't pay for his 3 day course or he won't work a deal with you (I bet he will work a deal with you!) then get Randy or Oz to give you one on one lessons. Simply put though you won't find a better deal than the 3 day course it is worth every penny!

Also as someone stated old habits are hard to break the longer you practice without proper fundamentals the harder they are to correct. And you can watch all the dvd's you want, but without a proper stroke you won't ever really get anything good out of most dvd's. That's just my opinion though.

Call Randy!
 
Randy is the best

How many of you have had any type of formal instruction with your playing. I'm interested in Randy's school but probably wouldnt be able to swing the $ for the 3 day course. Is the one day, one on one, experience worth the $, or are there other options for personal instruction? (Dal, Tx)

Just call Randy and he will figure out a payment you can handle.
Thanks
Carl :thumbup:
 
but without a proper stroke you won't ever really get anything good out of most dvd's. That's just my opinion though

Even today I had another epiphany and have gotten closer to stroking without moving my body at all. A qualified instructor starts it all.
 
I'm excited for this post because I get to regurgitate some of the things that I've digested myself. What I am about to tell you is coming from someone who is only a few years ahead of you. I'm not as good as some of the players on this site, but what I do have is the fresh memory of my learning curve that perhaps has gotten foggy in time with the more experienced players.

I would go every Monday, take some balls, throw them out on the table, and try to pocket them. I'd do this for hours. Maybe I'd try a drill I learned from someone or saw online, but would get bored and go back to hitting balls. Anyway, the nights that I would pocket lots of balls I would feel like I was improving, and then another nights I wouldn't pocket any balls. When this would happen, I felt like I needed to made an adjustment. So I would change my stance, hold the cue in a different way, ask if eye dominance was important, touch my chin to the cue, stand up more, stand sideways, stand square on, follow through too much, stop following through, yada yada, for years.

I was improving, but very very slowly, and more like a roller coaster.

I was missing two very important concepts.

The first one was feedback. Sure, I was using some sort of feedback... the pocketing of my object ball. And I was ONLY paying attention to the pocketing of my object ball. I would hit the cue ball, and then look at my intended pocket, stand up in anticipation, and wait for it to fall. Then I would look at where the cue ball ended up. When the cue ball ended up good for the next shot, it would boost my confidence. When it ended up bad, then I would feel bad, and think that everything I was doing must be wrong.

What I learned to do (through Joe Tucker's instruction) was focus, instead, on the cue ball / object ball collision. Focus like a cat. Focus so intensely that a laser beam comes out of my pupils and burns a small black hole in space of where I want by cue ball to end up. "Don't go blind after the shot" he says. I may flutter by eyes back and forth between the cue ball and object ball once or twice while I'm getting comfortable and situated, but my final stroke damn sure has a well known cue ball target. And I watch to make sure it hits its target. I stopped caring what my body looked like, as long as I made the cue ball go to its target.

Watching to make sure the cue ball actually ends up where you are aiming provides the feedback you need to learn properly. This brings me to the second concept: subconscious competence.

Your consciousness is simply not capable of performing repeatable motor skills. It simply isn't. This was a hard and stubborn lesson to learn. But it makes sense. Try throwing a baseball using only conscious effort, or driving a car. Sure you use your consciousness to make decisions, like how far away your catcher is, or that you need to get off at the next exit. But your arms and feet are moved by muscle which is controlled by your subconsciousness. If you try to intervene using your consciousness (by "thinking" about it), your physical pertubation will loose consistency. You ALLOW your subconsciousness to use its competence, and you TRUST it. (You trusted it to drive you to the pool hall with out crashing your car.)

Same thing for cue sports. There are hundreds of aiming systems available. And people will argue which one is the best. They even argue on this forum. ANY aiming system will work if it is successful in distracting your consciousness from interfering with your subconscious competence. This is because the aiming system forces you to make some sort of decision (ghost ball location, contact point, pivot, CTE, praying, whatever), and allows room for all of your experience with the pool table to bubble up and slightly modify your conscious decision. People may refer to this as "feel", but it isn't magic, its just psychology (though it must still be learned from years of practice).

So I became aware of these two things and started using them, along with an aiming system that my brain likes. I approach the shot, choose which discrete unit of my aiming system the current shot represents, go down into the shot, feel comfortable with the fact that my brain is using me as a puppet and allow it to modify my chosen discrete aiming system unit if it wants to, stroke, watch the cue ball make contact, and then analyze the results. If I was too far right or left, then I say to myself "Oops, I chose the wrong number [of my aiming system]". I'll remember that next time." After a while, you will find that a direct hit on the targetyour brain chooses results in a pocketed ball as well as proper cue ball position.

Now, for the cue ball position, there are lots of drills you SHOULD do. But this is all food for your brain. If you feed it, it'll bubble back up when you need it to.

---

Other small things that I learned separately from this that helped me:
- Learn not to move your head during your stroke.
- Learn not to stand up until the cue ball hits the object ball.
- Learn what a clean and full follow through feels like and do it every time, even when you are nervous
- You don't need to shoot very hard to get a lot of follow or draw
- Spin is your best friend. Learn to use it all of the time.
- Find a comfortable stance that doesn't hurt.
- Learn that you can't pocket every ball. Play a safety.
- Get the hell away from bar rules.
- Get the hell away from bar tables and go to 9-foot tables if you can.
- Get your own cue and always use your own cue for practice. Joe recommends a low deflection shaft, especially for beginners, because squirt is less prominent. I agree, and the proof is in my avatar.


I hope this helps. I had fun writing it.

Spin CAN be your friend, or can be your worst enemy. Mosconi embarassed me in front of a crowd in 1965, by saying, "You'll never be a player kid, till you learn how NOT to use spin!" I teach students how to play the game well WITHOUT spin, and THEN teach them how to use it. (When I miss, it's almost always either because I didn't focus on an easy shot, or I over-spun the CB.)
Stay away from bar tables? Many pros got their start on bar tables, and many of us have won substantial amounts of money on the BB. If you're a serious amateur player, you won't find many national events that aren't played on bar boxes. I used to practice a lot on 8-footers, so it was easy for me to adjust to both 7 and 9-footers when I needed to.
Donny L
BCA/ACS Instructor
Gainesville, Fl
 
How many of you have had any type of formal instruction with your playing. I'm interested in Randy's school but probably wouldnt be able to swing the $ for the 3 day course. Is the one day, one on one, experience worth the $, or are there other options for personal instruction? (Dal, Tx)

I took a full 12 hours straight session with Scott Lee....he videod a large portion of the lesson, which ended up being 3 dvd's, along with a small folder of printed material, all of which I refer to, especiallly when I'm not playing well.

My game instantly improved....and continues to get better.....just takes practice and practice and of course playing.
 
How many of you have had any type of formal instruction with your playing. I'm interested in Randy's school but probably wouldnt be able to swing the $ for the 3 day course. Is the one day, one on one, experience worth the $, or are there other options for personal instruction? (Dal, Tx)

Definitely take any kind of lesson from Randy. If a 1 day course is not affordable find out when Scott Lee is in your area and take his 4 hour course.
 
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