PRO ONE DVD: Answering Questions

jsp said:
Hold on now!

I wouldn't be so quick to label Patrick a genius.
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lol Jsp :)

Geniuses always understand that, ultimately, they cannot know everything. They accept that, while knowledge is a good thing to pursue, ultimate truth is actually an unattainable goal. We only know what is truth given our very limited set of understanding, and recognize that, as more things ae understood and more evidence is obtained, things we hold true today (or yesterday) may prove to be blatently false tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Stupid people think they know everything, and insist they do, even when faced with evidence that they might be wrong. They think they have all the answers. They dismiss a pursuit of additional knowledge because, to them, there is no point. The verdict is in, the consensus is defined, and the debate is over.

make sure you quote that to ;)
 
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champ2107 said:
lol Jsp :)

Geniuses always understand that, ultimately, they cannot know everything. They accept that, while knowledge is a good thing to pursue, ultimate truth is actually an unattainable goal. We only know what is truth given our very limited set of understanding, and recognize that, as more things ae understood and more evidence is obtained, things we hold true today (or yesterday) may prove to be blatently false tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Stupid people think they know everything, and insist they do, even when faced with evidence that they might be wrong. They think they have all the answers. They dismiss a pursuit of additional knowledge because, to them, there is no point. The verdict is in, the consensus is defined, and the debate is over.

make sure you quote that to ;)
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You are so full of shit.........
 
dr_dave said:
Atlarge,

Thank you for your post. I also want to thank others for their supportive posts, PMS, and e-mails.

I agree with Atlarge's appraisal. The brief description on my website summarizing Stan's version of CTE (which is the basis for Pro One), does not diminish the value of Stan's DVD. If anything, as I've pointed out before, I think it adds value. It provides a concise summary for people to use as a reference after they view the DVD. IMO, the DVD is not very "informational" ... it is more "demonstrational." In fact, it was very difficult for me to figure out the "information" from the DVD. I had to view it several times, taking notes and making drawings for all of the examples to figure out the pattern. That's why I think I have "added value" to the DVD.

IMO, the real value of the DVD is in the audio/visual explanations, illustrations, demonstrations, and examples.

I thought the purpose for this thread was to discuss and ask questions about CTE/Pro-One to develop a better understanding of the approach and how it is applied. How can this be done if people don't have a basic definition of the method? I think the brief summary on my website (and in this thread) does a reasonable job of explaining Stan's version of CTE, along with several other versions that have been proposed in the past. If somebody wants to learn more about Stan's version, see demonstrations by good shooters, see lots of examples, and learn how to set up these examples on their own table, they will want to purchase Stan's DVD.

I'm sorry Spidey and Joey think I have somehow been professionally irresponsible. Obviously, I strongly disagree.

Regards,
Dave
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I'm glad you think highly enough of me that my opinion matters.

The ridiculing in this forum that you have openly taken part in (AND ACKNOWLEDGED) concerning CTE and CTE users and/ORCTE/Pro One is not very professional in my opinion.

Apparently, Spidey and JoeyA aren't the only ones who think that way.

My opinion is that you should have consulted with Stan Shuffett about CTE/Pro One to see if he objected to you posting any of his material on YOUR website. You think you don't need his permission. Technically, maybe you are right. It would have been professional of you to write him and request his permission to publish his material on your website. You would have shown some "class" if you had. Maybe, one day you will write Stan and request his permission to publish his information on your website or simply take it down since there is so much negative publicity over this.

I did notice that you garnered JoeW's permission to publish his articles on your website. :scratchhead:

If you were just another member commenting on Stan's CTE/Pro One video, I wouldn't have a problem. The fact that you are using Stan's CTE/Pro One material to help drive traffic to your website and using links in this forum to drive traffic to your website says that you have a FOR PROFIT motivation more so than doing these as philanthropic favors.

In this forum, to some, you may look like a perpetual motion advertising mogul but to be fair, your links and VEPS videos often provide good, relative information to many of the discussions on this forum. At least in this forum as it regards to advertising, I think you have FAR out-performed Perfect Aim Instructor Gene Albrecht.:D

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I'm glad you think highly enough of me that my opinion matters.

The ridiculing in this forum that you have openly taken part in (AND ACKNOWLEDGED) concerning CTE and CTE users and/ORCTE/Pro One is not very professional in my opinion.

Apparently, Spidey and JoeyA aren't the only ones who think that way.

My opinion is that you should have consulted with Stan Shuffett about CTE/Pro One to see if he objected to you posting any of his material on YOUR website. You think you don't need his permission. Technically, maybe you are right. It would have been professional of you to write him and request his permission to publish his material on your website. You would have shown some "class" if you had. Maybe, one day you will write Stan and request his permission to publish his information on your website or simply take it down since there is so much negative publicity over this.

I did notice that you garnered JoeW's permission to publish his articles on your website. :scratchhead:

If you were just another member commenting on Stan's CTE/Pro One video, I wouldn't have a problem. The fact that you are using Stan's CTE/Pro One material to help drive traffic to your website and using links in this forum to drive traffic to your website says that you have a FOR PROFIT motivation more so than doing these as philanthropic favors.

In this forum, to some, you may look like a perpetual motion advertising mogul but to be fair, your links and VEPS videos often provide good, relative information to many of the discussions on this forum. At least in this forum as it regards to advertising, I think you have FAR out-performed Perfect Aim Instructor Gene Albrecht.:D

JoeyA
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un-frippin'-believable.

Two threads get locked up and thrown in the bin; finally there's some peace in the valley; and you have to go out of your way and resurrect a *two week-old thread* to poke someone in the eye, all the while hollering about how bad everyone else is.

You have out performed us all, Joey.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
un-frippin'-believable.

Two threads get locked up and thrown in the bin; finally there's some peace in the valley; and you have to go out of your way and resurrect a *two week-old thread* to poke someone in the eye, all the while hollering about how bad everyone else is.

You have out performed us all, Joey.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou, I was just catchin up on my reading this morning and responded to Dr Dave's comment.

Peace to the family.........

JoeyA
 
Joey: I think Dave answered some of these points in the other thread that was deleted. He says it's not coming down and no apology even though over 50% of his peers that voted called foul on his actions.

Doesn't look like there will be a compromise coming anytime soon...

JoeyA said:
I'm glad you think highly enough of me that my opinion matters.

The ridiculing in this forum that you have openly taken part in (AND ACKNOWLEDGED) concerning CTE and CTE users and/ORCTE/Pro One is not very professional in my opinion.

Apparently, Spidey and JoeyA aren't the only ones who think that way.

My opinion is that you should have consulted with Stan Shuffett about CTE/Pro One to see if he objected to you posting any of his material on YOUR website. You think you don't need his permission. Technically, maybe you are right. It would have been professional of you to write him and request his permission to publish his material on your website. You would have shown some "class" if you had. Maybe, one day you will write Stan and request his permission to publish his information on your website or simply take it down since there is so much negative publicity over this.

I did notice that you garnered JoeW's permission to publish his articles on your website. :scratchhead:

If you were just another member commenting on Stan's CTE/Pro One video, I wouldn't have a problem. The fact that you are using Stan's CTE/Pro One material to help drive traffic to your website and using links in this forum to drive traffic to your website says that you have a FOR PROFIT motivation more so than doing these as philanthropic favors.

In this forum, to some, you may look like a perpetual motion advertising mogul but to be fair, your links and VEPS videos often provide good, relative information to many of the discussions on this forum. At least in this forum as it regards to advertising, I think you have FAR out-performed Perfect Aim Instructor Gene Albrecht.:D

JoeyA
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Hi All,
This is my first post so here we go.
I've been searching for a aiming system for around 2 years now which does not require 1 million shots to master the every angle on a pool table. I admire anyone who has mastered ghost ball and fractional aiming. Both of these systems have been the aiming standard for decades.
Then I seeked out info on CTE and I found the information on this aiming system to be very limited indeed.
What impressed me the most was that you don't have to know thousands of angles to pot a ball.
Then Stan came up with Pro One which gave instructions on how to execute CTE.
Some of the new information and highlights which I was not aware of the DVD are as follows.

The aiming line or what others call the secondary reference line not just the CTE line giving you a total of 2 lines.
Object ball aiming points ABC
Visualize the two reference lines.
Move straight into the reference lines without altering the visual aiming lines.
½ a pivot to center cue ball.
Pro one with out the manual pivot.

For the first time ever someone has put the whole thing together for $35.00 including support.
To those who have watched the video only once and comment that it's not working need to view the video around 20 times so you know the technical information aspects inside and out.

Also I would like to add that Dr Dave from “Spider web.com” has a video on Pivoting explaining the difference between front and rear pivot, which gives you a different Cue ball center. The info in that
video is what those who don't understand why a center ball aim won't work and a pivot does. The info on that video gave me a lot of understanding on Pivoting.

Also those who are having trouble with this system I suggest that you chalk line the table with the 2 aiming lines and slide into those lines and study what you doing and make adjustments to pot the object ball. Repeat this over and over again and work out why the balls aren’t dropping until something clicks and the balls start going in. This approach has helped me in a huge way with CTE and corrected faults which I was doing.

Also I would like to add that Stan gives recognition to Hal Houle for CTE which I thought was a very noble thing to do.
CTE is complex compared to other systems out there, no doubt about it, however with practice these become automatic and after a while it takes only seconds before your ready to pot.
Also those looking for an aiming system which does not require lots of practice including CTE you won't find it. CTE as precise as it is, still requires lots of practice. Regardless of which aiming system you use if your out by 1mm it can make the difference between a ball going in or missing. And CTE is no different.
Cheers
 
Pretty sure this gets moved to the aiming section but the SEE system is much easier for some than CTE....

I am a proponent of pivot systems but I cannot take on a new system that doesn't build on what I know....

I still want a lesson from Stan at some point but based simply on the media presented I'll keep working on Ekke's stuff...
 
lfigueroa said:
un-frippin'-believable.

Two threads get locked up and thrown in the bin; finally there's some peace in the valley; and you have to go out of your way and resurrect a *two week-old thread* to poke someone in the eye, all the while hollering about how bad everyone else is.

You have out performed us all, Joey.

Lou Figueroa
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Actually, what's quite funny (and I mean I really did get a chuckle out of it) was that *both* of those posts -- Dr. Dave's response to AtLarge, and JoeyA's "admonishment" of it -- were infomercial sales pitches. One was promoting his website; and the other was plugging CTE/Pro1 and geno's product, supposedly at Dr. Dave's "expense."

It's like those late-night infomercials on TV, where one product is advertising against another one, but they *both* get airplay.

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Actually, what's quite funny (and I mean I really did get a chuckle out of it) was that *both* of those posts -- Dr. Dave's response to AtLarge, and JoeyA's "admonishment" of it -- were infomercial sales pitches. One was promoting his website; and the other was plugging CTE/Pro1 and geno's product, supposedly at Dr. Dave's "expense."

It's like those late-night infomercials on TV, where one product is advertising against another one, but they *both* get airplay.

-Sean
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Where's the aiming forum police when you need them?

Lou Figueroa
haul em away
copper
 
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