Pro One / Perception Practice

[BeiberLvr]

I made this post in another thread, but thought it was worth having a thread of it's own so it doesn't get lost. I think it's a great way to see just how important head posistion is to picking up the two visuals. It also demonstrates how, despite what a few others have said, moving your head in any direction can instantly change the visuals.

Draw a large circle on a blank sheet of paper, and tape the paper on a wall roughly at eye level.

Now stand about 6' or so away from the paper, and hold your left arm straight in front of you at eye level. You may have to close your non-dominant eye (if you have one) to do this correctly.

Point only your left index and middle finger at the circle. Your middle finger should point to the left edge of the circle. This is the center-to-edge line. Your index finger should be pointing at the right quarter of the circle. This represents the aiming line, which in this case, is pointed at C.

Now simply move your head to the left or right. You'll notice that even the slightest movement will change the perception of where your fingers are pointing, despite not moving your arm.

 

[IamCalvin06]

I tried this and it is very interesting how if you move your head you're way off.

Dont take this the wrong way but how do i apply this to CTE/pro one?

I work on Cte/Pro1 every single day for atleast 4 hrs a day. I am having so much trouble and no one to diagnose my problems.

Left Cuts tend to be my strong side. Visually i see CTEL and LCBE to A/B quite easily.

Right Cuts is where my Visuals break down. I seem to constantly be seeing the visuals to thick. I have to bend or turn my head to get what somewhat resembles a VISUAL.

I am Right Handed and Left Eye Dominant. I believe this Cross Dominance is my hinderance towards right cuts. However i see Landon shooting perfectly and i myself have had days where i never miss. So i know there's some Key piece that i am missing.

Also another problem for me is that i do not see my visuals with my dominant eye. Most of my visuals when i close my eye gets picked up more with my Non Dominant eye. I would guess around 75%. No one else other than Dave (spiderwebcomm) has come across this problem.

If anyone out there can help please chime in. Save me from this!!!!

 

[BeiberLvr]

I tried this and it is very interesting how if you move your head you're way off.

Dont take this the wrong way but how do i apply this to CTE/pro one?

I work on Cte/Pro1 every single day for atleast 4 hrs a day. I am having so much trouble and no one to diagnose my problems.

Left Cuts tend to be my strong side. Visually i see CTEL and LCBE to A/B quite easily.

Right Cuts is where my Visuals break down. I seem to constantly be seeing the visuals to thick. I have to bend or turn my head to get what somewhat resembles a VISUAL.

I am Right Handed and Left Eye Dominant. I believe this Cross Dominance is my hinderance towards right cuts. However i see Landon shooting perfectly and i myself have had days where i never miss. So i know there's some Key piece that i am missing.

Also another problem for me is that i do not see my visuals with my dominant eye. Most of my visuals when i close my eye gets picked up more with my Non Dominant eye. I would guess around 75%. No one else other than Dave (spiderwebcomm) has come across this problem.

If anyone out there can help please chime in. Save me from this!!!!

Like you, I'm right handed/left eye dominant.

Bending over slightly to pick up the visuals on right cuts is completely normal, and something you will get used to overtime. I actually lean to my right to pick up the visuals, and for me that was more comfortable than bending over slightly.

Give that a try, and see how it works for you.

You could also try standing more to the right of the CB, but I didn't like that when I experimented with it when I was first learning the system. It's easy to pick up the visuals that way, but it makes the sweep into CCB very unnatural. Plus you'll find yourself shuffling your feet when you get into your stance, and you risk getting yourself off the shot line.

 

[IamCalvin06]

yea i remember in my early stages of learning i used to actually bend over to the RCBE and the visuals would be very clear.

I tried doing this the other day but i am unable to sweep to CCB effectively.

thank you for the help. i will keep at it until i find an effective method.

Again though... can you explain your paper experiment? all i got from it was dont move your head.

 

[Pidge]

I'm right handed and left eye dominant, too. I had issues with right cuts when I first started out. I found out that I was simply stood in the wrong position to start with so I needed to bend and twist to get the visuals. First thing I did was take a step backwards on right cuts. I was too close to the table to get a clear picture. Next thing I did was break down how I was stood on left cuts and transfered it over to right cuts.

This may or may not work for you, but I approached every shot centre to centre, then picked up the CTE line and then picked up the edge to A, B or C line whilst trying to keep the CTE line locked.

Try an approach every ball the same. You will quickly find out that approaching a ball one way doesn't work for you and eventually you will find the right way.

Good luck.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Again though... can you explain your paper experiment? all i got from it was dont move your head.

That's pretty much all there is to it really. It's simple, but effective.

The main reason for it was to show that there's only one spot your head can be to pick up the two visuals correctly, and that's one of the most important parts in first learning the system.

You can also take it a step further and you'll see that for the most part it doesn't matter where your body or feet are, as long as your head is in the right place.

 

[Mirza]

The most problems I had with it, and I think I'm still not understanding in correctly, is that for CTEL+A/C visuals the lines often are not even close to being parallel.

If the lines were parallel it would be easy, visual center would need to be in the middle between those lines so you can see them both clearly, if visual center would not be in the middle then you wouldn't be locked on those two line but some other two.

Well anyway..that is where my problems lie because there couldn't go much wrong in the pivot, keep the bridge hand in a recommended distance, do the 1/2 tip manual pivot in a reference shot (you are 100% which pivot to use - its a reference shot) so the only thing that could be wrong is the visuals.

It wouldn't even be much of a problem if the lines weren't parallel but if it they were simmetrical, easy to find the middle and put your visual center there, but they arent simmetrical nor parallel and I think this is where mistakes happen..

That's pretty much all there is to it really. It's simple, but effective.

The main reason for it was to show that there's only one spot your head can be to pick up the two visuals correctly, and that's one of the most important parts in first learning the system.

You can also take it a step further and you'll see that for the most part it doesn't matter where your body or feet are, as long as your head is in the right place.

 

[ps611846]

The most problems I had with it, and I think I'm still not understanding in correctly, is that for CTEL+A/C visuals the lines often are not even close to being parallel.

If the lines were parallel it would be easy, visual center would need to be in the middle between those lines so you can see them both clearly, if visual center would not be in the middle then you wouldn't be locked on those two line but some other two.

Well anyway..that is where my problems lie because there couldn't go much wrong in the pivot, keep the bridge hand in a recommended distance, do the 1/2 tip manual pivot in a reference shot (you are 100% which pivot to use - its a reference shot) so the only thing that could be wrong is the visuals.

It wouldn't even be much of a problem if the lines weren't parallel but if it they were simmetrical, easy to find the middle and put your visual center there, but they arent simmetrical nor parallel and I think this is where mistakes happen..

Hey Mirza !!!

The problem could also be the straightness of the stroke !!!