Pro1 bridge hand placement

[Counterspell]

Is there some way to know if your hand is in the proper bridge placement when doing a Pro1 pivot? Other than the ball going in the hole.

For instance when doing a manual pivot, you slide your bridge hand into the shot with a 1/2 tip offset and then pivot either right or left to center ball. So on the manual pivot you have somewhat of a reference point with the 1/2 tip offset.

When Stan is explaining difference between manual and Pro1 pivots on the DVD he is using a line draw on the table to represent a CTEL line and the V in his bridge is slightly offset to the right or left of CTEL depending on if it is a right or left pivot.

My question is, how do you know if you sliding your bridge hand into the proper place on the Pro1 pivot. Do you consciously look at the CTEL and slide your hand to the right or left? Is there some other reference you use, or are you just going by feel and letting your hand slide into the shot based on where your eyes are looking? If so, it seems like there could be room for error in that method. How do you go about getting your bridge hand into the proper spot?

 

[stan shuffett]

Is there some way to know if your hand is in the proper bridge placement when doing a Pro1 pivot? Other than the ball going in the hole.

For instance when doing a manual pivot, you slide your bridge hand into the shot with a 1/2 tip offset and then pivot either right or left to center ball. So on the manual pivot you have somewhat of a reference point with the 1/2 tip offset.

When Stan is explaining difference between manual and Pro1 pivots on the DVD he is using a line draw on the table to represent a CTEL line and the V in his bridge is slightly offset to the right or left of CTEL depending on if it is a right or left pivot.

My question is, how do you know if you sliding your bridge hand into the proper place on the Pro1 pivot. Do you consciously look at the CTEL and slide your hand to the right or left? Is there some other reference you use, or are you just going by feel and letting your hand slide into the shot based on where your eyes are looking? If so, it seems like there could be room for error in that method. How do you go about getting your bridge hand into the proper spot?

See your visuals correctly and make the ball. In Pro One the process is self-refining day after day.

I just lost my actual post and this is simplified but it's all you need to know.

Stan Shuffett

 

[ln817]

See your visuals correctly and make the ball. In Pro One the process is self-refining day after day.

I just lost my actual post and this is simplified but it's all you need to know.

Stan Shuffett

wait, so you dont look left or right of the CTEL line prior to going down for the shot?

 

[stan shuffett]

wait, so you dont look left or right of the CTEL line prior to going down for the shot?

You do a visual sweep to the shot line.

Your must move left or right after your visuals are in place.

Just make the ball. Your eyes have to go left or right. There is no straight movement in unless it is for manual pivoting.

Stan Shuffett

 

[ln817]

Sorry if I'm not grasping it all in enough but I think I am not getting the visual sweeps.

So this is what i think I am suppose to do and i will try this tonight when i get off.


1. Stand slightly at an angle not directly behind the ball.
2. Establish my visuals
3. Once my visuals are etablished i look left or right while maintaining my visuals than i go down Center Cue ball for the shot.

Please correct me if im wrong. thanks again Stan.

 

[Neil]

This is what I do, and it works very well.....get my visuals of center to edge and center to A, B, or C. Once I have that, I look only at the cb. I am now looking for about a 1/2 tip from center. Then, I look find and look at center cb and drop down on that line. Takes a very, very slight shift of the cue and body on the way down. You may not even notice you are doing it.

 

[stan shuffett]

Sorry if I'm not grasping it all in enough but I think I am not getting the visual sweeps.

So this is what i think I am suppose to do and i will try this tonight when i get off.


1. Stand slightly at an angle not directly behind the ball.
2. Establish my visuals
3. Once my visuals are etablished i look left or right while maintaining my visuals than i go down Center Cue ball for the shot.

Please correct me if im wrong. thanks again Stan.

You are complicating it. Get your visuals and move to center cue and shoot.
Yes, you will move left or right but that will naturally occur if you just LET IT HAPPEN.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Counterspell]

Stan if it was that simple we wouldn't be asking these questions.

 

[stan shuffett]

Stan if it was that simple we wouldn't be asking these questions.

We can agree to disagree. No problem.

This system is based on objective visuals and then moving in to CCB.

That concept is very simple and if you practice half table shots in that manner you will soon see what I mean.

Set up a straight-in shot 2 diamonds apart for CB OB.

Get your visuals and sweep to CCB and shoot. Every shot is based on that concept.

CTE is a see and shoot system. There are a zillion shots on a table's surface. CTE PRO ONE puts you at the same offset for every shot just as though it were straight in.

For sure, there is execution involved and you will miss shots, plenty of shots but start now in seeing the CB OB relations correctly and soon the sweeps will fall into place.

One reason that many do not, at first, get the system is because it is too easy and natural. It is difficult to accept that at first.

Trust me, NO pros would even turn their heads at this system if it were not grounded with SEE and SHOOT.

Stan Shuffett

 

[pablocruz]

Stan if it was that simple we wouldn't be asking these questions.

With the right visuals and a little practice it is that easy! The CTEL and alignment lines get you aligned correctly for finding the bridge point! The bridge point and pivot point are co-located!! The visuals force the shooter to place their bridgehand in the correct position!!

 

[stan shuffett]

With the right visuals it is that easy! The CTEL and alignment lines get you aligned correctly for finding the bridge point! The bridge point and pivot point are co-located!! They force the shooter to place their bridgehand in the correct position!!

Concerning finding the bridge point.

CTE PRO ONE is a visual system. Once the eyes pick up the shot line, the bridge hand placement is the beneficiary of what the eyes just saw. Bridgehand placement in Pro One has leeway because the eyes lead the way.

You are at ball address with correct visuals.
The cue is out to the side.
The visual sweep begins.
The eyes are moving toward CCB.
The bridge hand lands on the table and begins its slide.
The eyes move to the shot line.
The brigehand just moved to a perfect position.

Then you do it again and again the rest of your life always starting with your eyes in the same specific offset from the shot line.

So, you do the same thing over and over and over. That's what I did for practically every shot in my 105 run.

Your eyes and body, the magnificent intelligence that they are, learn from the objectivity of CTE PRO ONE.

CTE PRO ONE represents a language, a set of directions that your eyes and body cannot express. Follow the directions of CTE PRO ONE and you WILL aim on a completely different plane or in a new dimension.

Stan Shuffett

 

[JMW]

With the right visuals and a little practice it is that easy! The CTEL and alignment lines get you aligned correctly for finding the bridge point! The bridge point and pivot point are co-located!! The visuals force the shooter to place their bridgehand in the correct position!!

It really is that simple.

 

[pablocruz]

Concerning finding the bridge point.

CTE PRO ONE is a visual system. Once the eyes pick up the shot line, the bridge hand placement is the beneficiary of what the eyes just saw. Bridgehand placement in Pro One has leeway because the eyes lead the way.

You are at ball address with correct visuals.
The cue is out to the side.
The visual sweep begins.
The eyes are moving toward CCB.
The bridge hand lands on the table and begins its slide.
The eyes move to the shot line.
The brigehand just moved to a perfect position.

Then you do it again and again the rest of your life always starting with your eyes in the same specific offset from the shot line.

So, you do the same thing over and over and over. That's what I did for practically every shot in my 105 run.

Your eyes and body, the magnificent intelligence that they are, learn from the objectivity of CTE PRO ONE.

CTE PRO ONE represents a language, a set of directions that your eyes and body cannot express. Follow the directions of CTE PRO ONE and you WILL aim on a completely different plane or in a new dimension.

Stan Shuffett

Very good description Stan!!

 

[stan shuffett]

Very good description Stan!!

Thanks, we're saying virtually the same thing. The visuals make it all happen.

Stan Shuffett

 

[nobcitypool]

You are complicating it. Get your visuals and move to center cue and shoot.
Yes, you will move left or right but that will naturally occur if you just LET IT HAPPEN.

Stan Shuffett

Stan, the question many are asking is regarding the "move to CCB". While it took awhile to understand exactly what the visuals are, I believe I get it and I suspect most others do. To just say you "sweep" or "move" into CCB and make the shot is frankly "ridiculous". Were it that easy, everyone would be doing it. I'm not saying that to make you mad or insult you, as someone who is a fan, I'm trying to tell you in no uncertain terms, I believe that is where the biggest disconnect is.

From watching your DVD and watching you and Landon, it would appear that move to CCB is simply bending over or rotating your body then bending over into the shot. But wait, when you watch Stevie Moore, he seems to do it entirely different. Then BobN posts a video where his move left to right is done entirely with the front foot.

I think (don't know for sure) that Neil explained it rather well. Perhaps, Stan, you can elaborate on that. When you have your visuals established, you're essentially 1/2 tip and a good stroke from sinking the shot. Assuming this is correct, the question is how to reliably and repeatably go from standing erect (or slightly bent over) to a comfortable shooting position that is rotated 1/2 tip from that point.

Stan, I could take what you say quite literally. Get your visuals and go to CCB. Stan, at the time I have my visuals, if I look down at that point and find CCB, that is not where I will hit the CB with my cue. But that's what you just said. Whenever you step in, or move your head left or right, or whatever the move is, CCB changes. I've yet to see a detailed explanation of how one goes from standing with visuals established to next move to move into CCB. It is that next move that gets you to the correct CCB that I believe is puzzling many. I know it is to me.

 

[stan shuffett]

Stan, the question many are asking is regarding the "move to CCB". While it took awhile to understand exactly what the visuals are, I believe I get it and I suspect most others do. To just say you "sweep" or "move" into CCB and make the shot is frankly "ridiculous". Were it that easy, everyone would be doing it. I'm not saying that to make you mad or insult you, as someone who is a fan, I'm trying to tell you in no uncertain terms, I believe that is where the biggest disconnect is.

From watching your DVD and watching you and Landon, it would appear that move to CCB is simply bending over or rotating your body then bending over into the shot. But wait, when you watch Stevie Moore, he seems to do it entirely different. Then BobN posts a video where his move left to right is done entirely with the front foot.

I think (don't know for sure) that Neil explained it rather well. Perhaps, Stan, you can elaborate on that. When you have your visuals established, you're essentially 1/2 tip and a good stroke from sinking the shot. Assuming this is correct, the question is how to reliably and repeatably go from standing erect (or slightly bent over) to a comfortable shooting position that is rotated 1/2 tip from that point.

Stan, I could take what you say quite literally. Get your visuals and go to CCB. Stan, at the time I have my visuals, if I look down at that point and find CCB, that is not where I will hit the CB with my cue. But that's what you just said. Whenever you step in, or move your head left or right, or whatever the move is, CCB changes. I've yet to see a detailed explanation of how one goes from standing with visuals established to next move to move into CCB. It is that next move that gets you to the correct CCB that I believe is puzzling many. I know it is to me.

It is not ridiculous when I am supporting a DVD That has examples and then I put up numerous YouTube and VIMEO examples of left and right sweeps. So, what I have said is put forth in demonstration.
Stan Shuffett

 

[nobcitypool]

The "visual sweep begins". What exactly does that mean. To me, it means you're moving your eyes from left to right or right to left. Okay, where do the eyes sweep from and where do they sweep to? Is it the eyes only that move or do the eyes essentially stay still and the head moves.

Stan, you say this as if it jumps out at you. I just spent 2 hours at the table working on this very thing. I was very meticulous in making sure I established the correct visual. And BTW, my precision was quite good. Unfortunately, precision means little in pool, accuracy is everything. If you hit 10 balls right around the pocket, you only get to shoot again after the 5 that go in. I've put in well over 100 hours practicing this and while getting my visuals has become better, there simply hasn't been an "aha" moment where I say "aha, I now see how this visual thing works."

 

[nobcitypool]

It is not ridiculous when I am supporting a DVD That has examples and then I put up numerous YouTube and VIMEO examples of left and right sweeps. So, what I have said is put forth in demonstration.
Stan Shuffett

Stan, if that's how you choose to address real questions and points, so be it, I won't waste any more of my time asking. I would quote Albert Einstein "If you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough".

 

[stan shuffett]

Stan, if that's how you choose to address real questions and points, so be it, I won't waste any more of my time asking. I would quote Albert Einstein "If you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough".

I am sorry you feel that way. I have done my best to impart what I know through word and by example.

Stan Shuffett

 

[stan shuffett]

Stan, if that's how you choose to address real questions and points, so be it, I won't waste any more of my time asking. I would quote Albert Einstein "If you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough".[/



Obviously, our scheduled lesson on the 22nd is cancelled.

Stan Shuffett