i was testing it out again today at the table and i must say i got it to work by applying spin to the cueball on the final stroke, or like i how apply english during my practice strokes then on my final stroke i hit center cueball i was pocketing balls easy and still get the cueball to go where i wanted but i have notice the cueball was moving around the table with ease as if the english was taken without any struggle at all, that three rail position shot so easy now hehehee.