Quebec unrepresented at 2012 Canadian Cuesports

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Does it seem odd to anyone that many of Canada's best players were not in attendance at this years Canadian Championships?

Specifically, the there were no players from Quebec in any of the men's open events. I was only able to identify one player from Quebec that competed in the Junior 9-Ball event.

Alain Martel, Luc Salvas, Harold Rousseau, Francis Crevier...où êtes-vous?
 
Hope I'm not posting something I shouldn't... Quebec didn't have an association current with the CBSA. An active association must pay a yearly fee. Each province with players this year paid this fee. The players from quebec wishing to play, I believed, was given an option to pay the extra money and all declined.

Too bad because most of the best players are from PQ. I don't think this will happen next year as changes may be coming to prevent such things
 
Jason Robichaud said:
Hope I'm not posting something I shouldn't... Quebec didn't have an association current with the CBSA. An active association must pay a yearly fee. Each province with players this year paid this fee. The players from quebec wishing to play, I believed, was given an option to pay the extra money and all declined.

Too bad because most of the best players are from PQ. I don't think this will happen next year as changes may be coming to prevent such things
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Jason,
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Quebec seems to have a good ranking system in place to inspire improvement. I believe it's A, AA, AAA, Semi-Pro and Pro. The higher your ranking, the more "perks" some of the rooms offer.

I know in Ontario, the higher you rank, the more you have to spot your opponent. That's not too inspiring for the up and coming players. Hopefully the potential changes you refer to will be a move in the right direction as Quebec is a leader for Canadian Cuesports.

Maybe next year we will have a Canadian Neuf-Ball Championship. :cool:
 
ThePoolScene said:
Bump this thread...

Any news on the Ontario Open?
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I believe changes have been discussed to prevent last years exclusion of players. Proposed changes are not because Quebec wasn't in the event, its because, it's unfair for many provinces. I think the provincial fee to CBSA is $500. NB sends 5-6 players and pays the $500 fee to CBSA. Ontario sending 30 players, pays this same fee, $500. I think the CBSA is doing a player fee/membership type deal, or, at least they talked about such a model. Coop can give you the exact details unless they are still talking about how to resolve the issue.

I think the province paying a per-player fee, say $25-50, would be a much better way to go. Some provinces lack a structured association, but still have ranked players, those ranked players should be able to attend the Canadians. Let them pay the entry of X$ plus a CBSA Membership.

For me, now living in Fort McMurray, I have no chance to qualify through an association. Events within 450km are not available, but I feel I should still have the chance to play.

Hope this helps confuse you more :)
 
Personally I think the Canadian's (8 and 9 ball) should be open to anyone as long as they pay CBSA $25 admin fee and entry. There really is no fairly ranked player system in place throughout the country so if you got the $ then you should get in. Forget the 64 man board, open it right up.
 
kidpool85 said:
Double A , Nobody from quebec will support the CBSA until things change drastically!!! What is the point to take 10 days off to try and win a couple thousand bucks... lol
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Everyone from Quebec is ok by me, except that whiny baby Alain Martel.

I'll post the payouts for the open 8 ball when I get to shooters tomorrow.
 
It's not just Quebec that doesn't support the CBSA...look at the representation from every province other than Ontario. Yes, we have a representative here in Alberta and have managed to send a few players to the canadians but it's a really sad statement about our national championships with the turnout being this awful.

It's not that there aren't representatives for the unrepresented provinces, it's that the players(and there are some outstandingly good players not at the canadians) have no desire to support an organization that does little-to-nothing to benefit the player base that is scattered across the country. If it wasn't a gateway to other larger events(Worlds, US Open 10 ball, etc) I can assure you that you would be hard-pressed to get ANY players from Manitoba west to attend the event.

The sad part about the whole thing is that it's been this way for as long as I can remember and the CBSA just don't seem to care as long as the players from Toronto and surrounding area have their once a year tournament.

I'm not even going to go off on the rant about the conditions and forcing players to wear clothes(dress shirts/ties, etc) in a virtual sauna....just not the way to have the highest levels of play displayed at our national championship.

*end rant*
 
JD_Hogg said:
Personally I think the Canadian's (8 and 9 ball) should be open to anyone as long as they pay CBSA $25 admin fee and entry. There really is no fairly ranked player system in place throughout the country so if you got the $ then you should get in. Forget the 64 man board, open it right up.
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I agree. Pay and play is the only way.
 
JD_Hogg said:
Personally I think the Canadian's (8 and 9 ball) should be open to anyone as long as they pay CBSA $25 admin fee and entry. There really is no fairly ranked player system in place throughout the country so if you got the $ then you should get in. Forget the 64 man board, open it right up.
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I like this idea.....open it up.

...and for those who were concerned about les Quebecois being unrepresented,
Jeff Blais is playing Johnny Morra in the 10-ball final.......
.....and he is using english very well.
 
JD_Hogg said:
Personally I think the Canadian's (8 and 9 ball) should be open to anyone as long as they pay CBSA $25 admin fee and entry. There really is no fairly ranked player system in place throughout the country so if you got the $ then you should get in. Forget the 64 man board, open it right up.
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its been open for a number of years! as it is now you can pay and play,only catch is theres no money added and there seems to be less $$$ than the total amount of entry fees.
so if you got example 30 players at 300$ = 9000 and there is 5000$ in the purse, then even if it is "OPEN" it is a luxury to travel and pay and play. if i played this year in every pro event it would cost me ballpark fiq. 1200$ entry fees (do you have to pay 25$sanction every event?) then hotel maybe 8 nights min 600$ +food ....... if your unemployed you save that much in lost wages
if you use the formula of where do i have to finish to break even, then pay and play is a bad business decision for most players with the exception of the non stop seasoned players.
so i don't know what your saying :):) lol it is open
not all provinces have donators or the 10 tournament lay away plan
 
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pt109 said:
I like this idea.....open it up.

...and for those who were concerned about les Quebecois being unrepresented,
Jeff Blais is playing Johnny Morra in the 10-ball final.......
.....and he is using english very well.
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I was actually hoping Jeff Blais will win at least one of the event.He was playing real good during the tournament.I am sure there are more out there from Quebec who plays like him.
 
SpinDoctor said:
It's not just Quebec that doesn't support the CBSA...look at the representation from every province other than Ontario. Yes, we have a representative here in Alberta and have managed to send a few players to the canadians but it's a really sad statement about our national championships with the turnout being this awful.


*end rant*
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Actually Gilles Richard ran the qualifiers for pool to send the Alberta players. Gilles is not associated with the CBSA in any way, he took this up on his own accord because there were never any Alberta players there.

Randall (the Alberta CBSA organizer) only has time to run qualifiers for snooker.
 
Money comes out of this event to cover cost. I don't think any event, rather than a local event, could be 100% entry paid. Sponsors are very difficult. How do you sell 30 players to a sponsor? Our best option would be some sort of kickback for room rentals or maybe casino, but then you have to pay for tables and venue.

I would love to see someone post a model of how to make the Canadians better. Show the figures, expected sponsors and amounts etc. If you can't find the time for a business model, you damn sure won't have time to run a pool event. Plus, once you see the model, you won't want to.

The events we do get to play, thank the TD and organizer, because they're not in it for money.
 
Jason Robichaud said:
Money comes out of this event to cover cost. I don't think any event, rather than a local event, could be 100% entry paid. Sponsors are very difficult. How do you sell 30 players to a sponsor? Our best option would be some sort of kickback for room rentals or maybe casino, but then you have to pay for tables and venue.

I would love to see someone post a model of how to make the Canadians better. Show the figures, expected sponsors and amounts etc. If you can't find the time for a business model, you damn sure won't have time to run a pool event. Plus, once you see the model, you won't want to.

The events we do get to play, thank the TD and organizer, because they're not in it for money.
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While I agree that there are significant expenses to an event like this, I would love to see exactly what comes in and what goes out for this event paired with the financial statements for the CBSA. I find it hard to believe that the organization doesn't receive a decent amount of compensation as a non-profit sport association through grants and other programs.

If they want respect, being transparent about the ins and outs of the CBSA is a good starting point.
 
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